“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

[...] But you came upon this image of a lost god, alone, and you did not tell your friends or associates, but instead you listened. [...]

[...] But you did not learn all the secrets of this strange image. [...] But you did not feel that you had learned enough. [...]

[...] But you are a willing and eager learner.

[...] It was a small black image—something like the stereotyped Buddha image—but with several differences. [...]

In such a manner a simplicity is given which is helpful in explanations, but it must be kept in mind that all these explanations are extremely simplified. [...] They are in part sparked with the aid of the physical system, but they do not happen within the physical system. They are not directly experienced by the physical system, but only translations of the original dream experience is felt by the actual physical system.

[...] Jane did not appear to be bothered by this, but since Willy kept it up I finally dislodged him rather than take the chance of him interrupting Jane. She said she was aware of him as she spoke, but that was all. [...]

[...] In other words, though the ego was adopted originally by the inner self, and was a product of physical heredity and environment, it does not die; but its existence is changed from physical reality into electrical reality. [...] No individuality is lost, but it becomes a part of the inner self, and its experiences are added to the total experience of the many personalities that have composed the inner self.

(John Bradley, who has witnessed several sessions, was a visitor this afternoon but not a witness this evening.

[...] She made a few aborted attempts at tears, but they didn’t come. Her feelings of panic continued as I got supper ready, but she ate pretty well. After supper she told me to come out for the session at 8:15, but I was still working on these notes at 8:45, and she hadn’t called me. [...]

(It’s actually November 8 as I type these notes, and I have not only the material for November 2 to present, but also that for the sessions for November 7 and November 8. Situations change so rapidly that material that’s a week old almost seems out of date, or superceded, but I want to show our thinking for November 2 just as much as for this morning, November 8. So although that “old” material for November 2 seems somewhat dated already, I’ll present it here just as though a session had been held on that date:

[...] It all sounded good, but would have little effect, I thought, since it hadn’t in years past. [...] But I was as baffled as ever, I said, that the personality would put the poor body in such a position that it couldn’t be at peace either sitting up or laying down. [...]

(“I could guess at some of those other motivations,” I said, “but they’d only be guesses....” [...] I tried to reassure her before I started supper, but was so upset that it was very difficult. [...]

[...] She began dictating in a quiet voice; she had been coughing a lot, but as soon as the session began the coughing stopped, except for a very few isolated single coughs she gave at widely separated intervals. Her voice sounded dry, however, but not hoarse. [...]

[...] She recalled parts of the material she had delivered, but was unaware of her surroundings, whether she smoked or not, etc. She had smoked, but coughed only a few times. [...]

(After Monday’s short session Jane visited Miss Callahan, but was unable to learn from her of anything unusual or significant that might have happened to or with her during the time mentioned by Seth in the 63rd session. [...]

I have said that I will speak but briefly. [...]

[...] Jane spoke while in a trance state, but in her usual voice, and received the data from “another source.” [...] Jane is used to giving impressions on her own as well as through Seth, but there seemed to be an intriguing difference this evening. [...]

(Needless to say, neither Jane or I know math; I may know a little more than Jane, but I couldn’t explain an integer to her at break this evening, for instance. A few phrases that came through in the data had a familiar ring to me, but Jane said they meant nothing to her.

(For some reason Jane then told me I didn’t have to put this down, but I did so anyway: ) The order of the integers on the negative side descends in direct proportion to the order of ascension of integers on the positive side. But the balance between them, the two systems, is only apparent from your particular viewpoint, and not basic.

This instability isn’t noticeable here, even after the 9th power, but it exists. [...] The value of the integers would seem to dissolve (pause) at the speed of light, but it is precisely here that the minus numbers take over and become, or take on, the value of the positive numbers.

[...] We usually see them but once a year. But it developed that Jane had one of her most uncomfortable nights in years last night; she woke up often, very stiff, particularly in the dawn hours. [...]

[...] They did what they thought they were supposed to do, but do not feel nearly the sense of accomplishment or pleasure with their lives that they once expected. Ruburt is fond of both of them, as you are, but he saw them in their actuality, as themselves and as representative of many people in general.

[...] The proof arrived in the mail while Dick and Ida were here; we looked at it without much reaction, but still thought about it on other levels a good deal. [...]

[...] I’ll try to have the session, but I don’t know how far I’ll get....”

Depths are contained within this system that are not depths in terms of space, but rather definite depths and dimensions in terms of varying intensities. There is also here a duration that is closely connected with intensity, but not with continuity in terms of time, as it is usually understood in the physical field.

[...] But a sense of spontaneity is most important, and indeed a momentary lapse of critical attention. I bring this up now since there is a connection here, if you will excuse a pun, but there is a connection here with the electrical field. [...]

[...] This time Lee Wright seemed to respond to Jane’s suggestions; these suggestions were not specifically directed at Lee, but were generalized statements designed to set a mood, etc. [...] She does not yet know how she accomplishes this, but feels intuitively that it is so.

[...] Occasionally her delivery slowed down, but seemingly in compensation it would then speed up. [...]

(“I began to move it from the outside, slowly, like a marionette But then I didn’t like it, because it seemed to be in a wheelchair. I went ahead with it, but I didn’t know whether it had died, or what.” Now the tenant in the apartment above our living room began to play rock music very loudly, but Jane seemed undisturbed as she talked to me. [...]

[...] Now the little men are doing it with my right leg, but they’re having more trouble with it than with the left one. But now they’ve got it. I’m getting a funny feeling now, like I’m almost physically up off the floor, in a sitting position—I know I’m not—but it’s almost as though the chair wasn’t there.”

(Jane continued: “But that devil image comes from a long pagan line of earth gods, and always represented the innate knowledge inherent even in the earth itself. [...] Religion tried to make the devil into a black shadow of God, His counterpoint and yet opposite, but man forgot what counterpoint meant. Personified, for example, the devil is the fury of a storm, but disconnected from a storm’s great creativity.”

[...] The music from above was louder than ever, but she seemed to be oblivious to it. [...] My hands were tied but then they were cut loose and flew out in all directions. [...]

(“Let’s take another look at that house up here on the hill,” I said and our car began the long steady climb toward a certain dead-end road … So we looked at the hill house again — if from the outside only — but this time we really looked at it. [...] Mine came into consciousness before Jane’s did, but she soon caught up with me. [...]

[...] Some of his related material there had been fairly personal, but we’d left it in place because of its general application. [...] But I’ve reassembled the remainder in the proper order, and it’s more than enough to show how closely such “objective” things as houses can be bound up with beliefs and emotions.

This also means that greater adaptability is required, but it will be to the good. [...] Both houses have Sumari characteristics, but in different combinations. [...]

(Then at 11:21, here presented verbatim:) Now a note: I do not want to get into family variations, but Sue Watkins picked up a variation of the Gramada family of consciousness (the Grunaargh) — quite legitimate, and at the time very good on her part.⁴ People love to make divisions. [...] The families mix and interrelate, so that you could indeed subdivide them, but for my purpose there is little point to this.

[...] “I’ve got the nostalgic, uneasy feeling that he’s going to wind up the book soon,” she said, “especially after listening to that material just before the Atlantis stuff: I didn’t feel that way when I had the session, but I do now. I’ve said it before, I know, but this book started when we were thinking of moving, and now we’re settled in a new place, so that makes a good time to end it.”

[...] I could see that Jane was not only sad that the long project was finished for her, but uneasy, too; she was suddenly set loose, released from a framework that had come to be very familiar over the last 14½ months. [...] But she’s so creative that as soon as she is through with one undertaking she’s ready to launch into another; and this applies even though she’s been working on Psychic Politics outside of the Seth framework. [...]

[...] With the arrival of warmer weather we did take an occasional break from psychic work, but for the most part the sessions were held regularly even though Seth was through with “Unknown” Reality. Some of them were private, but Seth also covered a number of interesting topics of a more general nature — material we’d like to see published eventually. [...]

[...] If this book “works,” then many old questions will be seen as relatively meaningless, formed not after any intimate encounter with basic issues, but in response to old dogmas.

[...] There is communication between them, but they are not aware of it. [...] Now the inner ego is the director, but the whole self (or soul) must know itself. [...]

The thought of such contact is highly intriguing, and we cannot help but wonder what effect it would have, not only on Rob and Dr. Pietra, but on their separate systems of reality. [...]

[...] According to Seth, each of us has counterparts in other systems of reality; not identical selves or twins, but other selves who are part of our entity, developing abilities in a different way than we are here.

[...] As a seed can fly through the air, so individual consciousness can travel through these systems, but it must be protected. [...]

They will indeed burst through, or appear through, into the egotistical consciousness if given the opportunity; but the egotistical consciousness cannot go after them. The ego will always erect defenses, but intuitional understanding has always been able to pierce such defenses.

You then found yourself, in the dream, wearing pajamas, first though deposited in front of your parent’s home, but not entering. [...] But just immediately preceding birth you find yourself in the dream wearing pajamas, entering a theatre, looking for someone.

But though you met both the present Dick and Loren, neither of you knew what your relationship would be in this life. [...] That is, because you imagined that he would be a contemporary in age, you saw him on a bicycle, a child’s method of transportation, but because he was born earlier the vehicle carries him past.

[...] The dream also allowed you to see ahead of time beyond the surface of the situation which did arrive on Sunday, and you were much easier on your father Sunday because the dream tipped you off as to the tactics that your mother would use on one level, and also allowed you to punish yourself and your father symbolically rather than actually, for a violent tendency which is now apparent in him toward her, but is not as readily apparent, but repressed, in yourself.

I will go into this in a later chapter, but in a very real manner, space as you perceive it simply does not exist. Not only is the illusion of space caused by your own physical perceptive mechanisms, but it is also caused by mental patterns that you have accepted — patterns that are adopted by consciousness when it reaches a certain stage of “evolution” within your system.

[...] It has full freedom, but it must operate within the context of existence to which it has been programmed. [...] I must emphasize that I am not saying that the soul or entity is a computer, but only asking you to look at the matter in this light in order to make several points clear.

When you arrive, or emerge, into physical life, not only is your mind not a blank slate, waiting for the scrolls that experience will write upon it, but you are already equipped with a memory bank far surpassing that of any computer. [...]

[...] But this computer is so highly endowed with creativity that each of the various personalities it programs spring into consciousness and song, and in turn create realities that may have been undreamed of by the computer itself.

[...] For a while I was not in Rome, but held my religious call elsewhere. [...] The last name is not nearly so clear, and this is not my papal name, but my, if you will forgive the term, common name. [...] But as I now recall them, without directly checking on our friend the pope, who has, you must understand, gone his own way, I am coming as close as I can. We did not have as many guards at that time, but we had many stolen paintings and jewels of great merit. [...]

[...] Again, in your terms, these are your problems, and no god or devil put them upon you, and there is no one to blame but yourselves. [...] The mistakes in the long run, and in your terms, will not count, but they are very real to you at this time. [...]

[...] And there were days that I walked in other centuries the same streets that I had walked as a pope, but then only put my fancy toes abruptly upon and lifted them up again. But as a peasant I walked with a heavy foot and great weight until I learned the lessons that I had to learn, as all of you will learn your own lessons. [...]

([Ron:] “Yes, but I don’t necessarily agree with the logic of your answers.”)

[...] A man who loses memory of past events feels insecure and lost, but other types of personality gestalts operate far differently. [...] But the comparison is highly superficial, for here too continuity reigns, even though associations are given greater play.

[...] It is intuitively known, but it must be realized. There are personalities far more developed than my own; there are personalities that operate in a context that even I would find extremely alien, but no particle of individuality is ever lost, and no experience.

[...] It is obvious that other gestalt personalities experience more in an equivalent amount of your time, but this is not the point.

[...] Now your own system includes not only your physical universe as you know it, but also any personalities, living or dead in your terms, who are physically oriented.

[...] “But that’s it,” Jane said mournfully. [...] “But I’ve decided that enough is enough,” Jane said, after I’d speculated about why her psyche hadn’t put the brakes on her symptoms before this. [...]

(No session was held today, April 21, 1984, but we did do some free associating, so I’ll present a summary of that material here, and follow it with a session and more free association whenever they come through.

[...] Jane got scared with Sumari in the beginning, just as she had at the start of the sessions in 1963, but she was also very curious and turned on. [...]

[...] Our friends wanted to celebrate the publication of her first “psychic” book, her first mention of Seth, but she read poetry at the party and wouldn’t talk about the ESP book — too embarrassed. [...]

[...] “But I’m not ready to reconcile myself to the spot I’m in.” But she said she was often careful about what she said to me, so that she wasn’t always dumping on me when I came to the hospital. But if not me, I said, who could she talk to? [...]

You may wonder why so many forms of life would be involved in what might seem to be self-destructive behavior, often leading to death — but remember that no consciousness considers death an end or a disaster, but views it instead as a means to the continuation of corporeal and noncorporeal existence.

[...] She’d thought of death, but didn’t want to do that to me. [...]

[...] These are to be expected, but all seem trivial now, given our present situation.

[...] But three people together, but also referring to a fourth.

(We could make other connections but they would require checking out, and extra time. While giving the data Jane had the idea of my mother as being connected with the color red, but did not give voice to this because she believed it was incorrect. [...]

[...] I work for a greeting card company, but did not remember seeing other ribbons like it there in particular. [...]

(Jane did not feel very well before the session, but when I mentioned calling the session off she insisted on holding it. She began speaking while sitting down and with her eyes closed. [...]

[...] Now however the hail created a drumfire so loud that I could barely hear Jane, although she sat but three feet away. I almost called a halt, but since she seemed prone to continue I did also. [...]

[...] My tracing is quickly done on page 217, and shows little detail, but the drawing on the actual object is very well and finely done, including individual feathers on the wings, etc. [...] Intellectually she agreed that the drawing was of an eagle, but said that she saw a moose.

(This session was due yesterday but was not held. [...]

[...] It appeared to be over by 9 PM but actually was not. [...]

[...] This is but one simple example. [...] That is, a concept may be brilliantly alive in the dream universe but unexpressed physically, or for one reason or another an intellectual comprehension in the physical universe may not find expression in the dream universe. But overall there is parallel development.

It is true that physical stimuli may signal a dream, but the stimuli, the physical stimuli, does not actually signal the beginning of the dream; but it calls your attention to the dream, which has been in progress, as if you walked into a darkened theatre and began to see portions of a production which had been going on.

[...] You have received some quite legitimate bits and pieces, but the data have not been correctly correlated in your terms, so that you do not know how to put them together. But with practice there will be better, and if you will excuse the pun, more predictable results.

[...] I was talking to her at the time but she did not mention the incident to me.