“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

With all due respect, your friend [the psychologist] is, with the best of intentions, barking up the wrong psychological tree. [...] The nature of the subjective mind, however, will never open itself to such tests, which represent, more than anything else, a kind of mechanical psychology, as if you could break down human values to a kind of logical alphabet of psychic atoms and molecules. A good try (with humor), but representative of psychology’s best attempt to make sense of a poor hypothesis.

You may do what you wish yourselves (about taking the tests), of course, but our main purpose is to drive beyond psychology’s boundaries, and not play pussyfoot among the current psychological lilies of the field.

Aside from anything Seth has said or ever may say about other probable realities, or even about human origins here on earth, I think it most risky at this stage in history for anyone—scientist or not—to dogmatically state that life has no meaning, or is a farce, or that attributes of our reality of which we can only mentally conceive at this time do not really exist. [...] Truly, our individual and collective ignorance of just our own probable reality is most profound at this time in our linear history (in those terms). [...]

[...] [Some of them are on reincarnation, and I plan to present them when Seth gets into that subject in Dreams.] On October 7, a Sunday, Jane saw for the first time the work Sue Watkins has done on Conversations With Seth, the book she’s writing about the ESP classes Jane used to hold. [...]

[...] Here we are speaking of potentially dangerous situations in which an individual shows signs of being unable to cope with these psychological actions through ordinary methods of adaption. No one can deny that a war fought by dreaming men at specified times would be less harmful than a physical war — to return to my flight of fancy. [...]

Yoga and psy-time helped reduce the symptoms temporarily, but by last week, the stiffness was so bad that my entire shoulder was grinding like jammed sandpaper. [...]

[...] The lumps — called calcium lumps by my doctor — were still there under the skin, but I could move my shoulder with no difficulty for the first time in months. [...]

[...] It obviously becomes part of the personality’s psychological structure, the physical, electrical and chemical structures, invading to some extent even the dream system.

(I began this short appendix a couple of weeks after the 732nd session was held, but didn’t finish certain parts of it until some time later. [...] Yet I felt no strong surge of emotion, for instance, to learn that Norma Pryor [whom I’ve met but a few times], Peter Smith, and Jack Pierce are counterparts of mine — nor did they when I read Seth’s material to them during ESP class six nights later. [...]

[...] So beneath such gatherings there would be hidden dynamics, psychological activities that could explain the behavior of crowds, political parties, and so forth….”

[...] The close observer could, I think, find among the three men more physical and psychological correlations [some having to do with illness], as well as meaningful opposing features, so that in this instance the counterpart relationships can be seen as quite apropos.

[...] I wondered about the countless times counterparts had unwittingly gathered on similar occasions, and what sort of numberless exchanges had taken place on unconscious levels between those who were psychically related in some fashion.

[...] Yet at the same time, they are not hampered in its use by certain characteristics that often impede the practical potential of human consciousness.

[...] It is you, so focused in physical reality, who do not listen to its voice, who do not understand that it is the great psychological strength from which your physically oriented self springs.

There is however a portion of you, the deeper identity who forms both the inner ego and the outer ego, who decided that you would be a physical being in this place and in this time. [...]

[...] And so while you have a physical address, I may still be able to point out some very strange and miraculous psychic and psychological structures within your own system of reality that you have ignored.

(Pause.) I understand Ruburt’s distress at times with the odd feelings of balance, but remember that these represent multitudinous changes and motions within the body, new positions requiring minute alterations of muscular tension that are actually highly beneficial. [...] They serve as focal points of his interest, of course, and initiate various physical and psychological responses. [...]

[...] It is also necessary that there is room for certain psychological actions and motions to change from one pattern to another. The message of the Sinful Self shows excellent psychological mobility. [...]

[...] A search of the psychological literature would be very interesting.

[...] Ruburt’s forgotten dream was a clear psychological statement in which all of the elements in his personality momentarily joined not only for a discussion, so to speak, but blended their forces, exerted their energies, and set up a firm intent to clarify the entire situation, and to exert all of their energies in a successful healing venture. [...]

(While trying psychological time I had the following three experiences. [...]

[...] These experiences with psychological time have become so intriguing and numerous that Jane and I devised a method to keep a list of them, in chronological order for quick reference.

[...] Since this material was so interesting we decided to wait and see if Seth would take up our own personal experiences with psychological time later in this session. [...]

Creation occurs, again, most often through value fulfillment, which exists in a dimension having nothing to do with your space and time; and in the deepest sense creation as a whole, originally, if you’ll excuse the term, had nothing to do with either your space or your time, and the so-called birth of your known outer universe came long after in the story of creation and value fulfillment.

Fears, sometimes even seemingly irrational ones, can serve to rouse the body if you have been too lethargic, or have been in a rut psychologically or physically. [...] Ideally even illnesses are a part of the body’s health, representing needed adjustments, and also following the needs of the subjective person at any given time. [...]

[...] The change was made to give Jane more time on weekends to handle the mail. I don’t think my own daily work patterns will be affected much; I help her with the correspondence, but don’t spend nearly the time at it that she does.)

(On the other hand, with the copyedited manuscript for James and the concluding chapters of Emir mailed to Prentice-Hall earlier this month, Jane found herself with some unexpected free time. [...]

(I don’t know how long I’ll continue to benefit from Jane’s assistance, though, since poetry, painting, and notes can all be quickly laid aside if she starts a new project, or resumes work on one that she’s kept in abeyance for some time. [...]

(I have yet to resume psychological time study. I now have my dream notebook in full swing, and since I had more dreams on the order of the two already discussed by Seth, I had my dream notebook open on the table as session time approached, in case these dreams were used in the material.

[...] Jane has also begun the study of psychological time on a regular basis, but has nothing of note to report yet, beyond a few glimmerings.

The primary energy gestalt did not have a beginning in time, nor will it end in time. It is a result of an expansion, again, in terms of value fulfillment, an expansion that has nothing to do with either time or space as men conceive them.

[...] When beginnings and endings are spoken of, the implication is always there, that there must be but one reality, and that it must have a beginning in time and an ending in time.

[...] He should say this several times to himself, slowly and meaningfully, morning, noon and evening during the time given. [...]

(Since session time was near, Jane asked aloud that Seth interpret the subjective data she had been receiving. [...]

(The whole time she gave impressions on her own, Jane sat quietly in her rocker, hands folded in her lap, eyes closed, voice quiet. [...]

[...] a time... [...]

(Tonight Jane said she thought she’d “done a damn good job” of keeping her mind off her condition, especially while painting and writing—all the time except when “something hurt quite a bit.” I saw her remarks as correlating with my primary question for this evening, since Seth has told us that her feelings of distress at such times result from her mental attitudes as much, or more than, physical circumstances.

[...] When you are awake for periods of time during those hours, very refreshing conditions exist mentally and physically. You might, in parentheses, put that this is connected with the waking-sleeping patterns prevalent on earth, to which you referred some time ago.

Now: you are, of course, taught that any meaningful endeavor takes a great amount of effort of a certain kind—the exertion of the will, the utilization of the time in an organized fashion—and this can promote a tooth-gritting determination in some people.

[...] In a curious fashion, such letting go of effort might well result in an increased abundance of creativity, for example, but the mental and psychological set allows an individual to become more aware of the basic motivations of the personality, that show themselves quite clearly through the impulses, and through desires—particularly when they are not overlain by layers of “I must,” “I should,” or “I must do this or that.” [...]

[...] As I told you I have some difficulty at times explaining to my own friends that you so believe such a hallucination is real. [...] It is a psychological reality or a psychic one if you prefer. [...] They are a product of your own psychic and mental and psychological activity and so they exist whether or not you perceive them. [...]

[...] Open your eyes to the room and to the time that you know but feel that vitality and know it is your own. And when you are dead as I have been, in your terms, for all this time I hope you can yell as lustily as I can. [...]

[...] I’d spent some little time trying to talk her into a short session to begin with, and she’d finally agreed to try for one. It was 8:52 when she really fell asleep in her chair, for perhaps the tenth time. [...]

[...] The entire issue had been going on for some time. [...] To whatever degree possible, given your time requirements, I will try to explain such matters. [...]

[...] Meaning that I could see she wasn’t going to be able to contribute much physical work on it at this time. [...]

(A note: Jane has mentioned several times since returning home that Seth may dictate a biography of her—presumably including her hospital experiences, etc. [...]

[...] She’s already reread that session three times, and so have I. This time she got the emotional content of it, though, and scribbled a few lines while it lasted, perhaps 10 minutes. [...] As we talked about it, each from a somewhat different angle, Jane ended up saying the experience seemed pretty “prosaic” after all in retrospect—yet at the time it had been pretty powerful.

[...] The framework was loosely set up back in that time, however, when for a while, again, you toyed with the idea, for such symptoms would “justify” your staying home even part- time to paint. [...]

(8:32; eventually a one-minute pause.) The symptoms have served to “allow you” a certain privacy, A certain detachment from the world, while at the same time providing a way of relating to others, of sharing life’s misfortunes so that it might not be said, for example, that as artists or people you lived in an ivory tower, untouched by life’s usual dilemmas. Again, there were twists and turns through the years as the symptoms might serve one purpose more than another at any given time, but falling within the general category. [...]

[...] This time and area still fascinate me. I would like to have a history that deals with that time and area specifically, but don’t know of any such work. [...]

As I have mentioned many times, animals then dream, as do plants, insects, and all forms of life. All molecular constructions exhibit that certain kind of introspective activity, as if the inner working of some giant computer was intimately in touch not only with its own programming and the probabilities connected with it, but with a deep psychological awareness of the activities of the electrons and various visible and invisible particles that form its own physical construction.

[...] These include a kind of horizontal psychological extension, the translation of one kind of dream into another kind—the transference of information from one system to another, in which the symbols themselves come alive.

[...] But I came to feel that I was right with it, right close to some kind of important knowledge that I could communicate at the same time. [...]

Time to your dreaming self is much like ‘time’ to your waking inner self. The time concept in dreams may seem far different than your conception of time in the waking state when you have your eyes on the clock and are concerned with getting to some destination by, say, 12:15. But it is not so different from time in the waking state when you are sitting alone with your thoughts. Then, I am sure, you will see the similarity between this alone sort of inner psychological time, experienced often in waking hours, and the sense of time experienced often in a dream. [...]

[...] We later discovered, of course, the “inner senses” and “psychological time” had been discussed under different names in many ancient manuscripts. [...]

Psychological time belongs to the inner self, that is, to the mind. [...]

[...] Like other experiences of this nature, it was intrusive, in that it seemed to have no connection with what he was doing or thinking at the time.

[...] (I also explained this meaning to Jane at the time.) He took this as an accusation, however, and further concentrated upon his lacks. [...] To some extent there has been a weaving in and out, so that at times Ruburt’s symptoms were personal, and at times they were symbols for both of your attitudes.

[...] He has been tearing himself down psychologically in an effort to find out what has been wrong, that the symptoms persist. [...] So to build him up psychologically and not artificially, we remind him of his accomplishments and those areas in which he is doing very well.

Also, to some less extent, and at different times, he would know that the symptoms were a whipping-boy for you both, and so he was afraid at times to dispense with them completely. [...]

[...] It helps bring about Ruburt’s greatest accomplishments, and yet at the same time, overemphasized, it can become a source of failures.

There are “durations,” then, that have nothing to do with time as you understand it: psychological motions that manipulate time but are apart from it. [...]

Such effects may (underlined) appear suddenly within time’s context, rather than slowly emerge, say, into that framework. It is, of course, that kind of outside-of-time activity that in your terms explains the origin of your universe. There are dimensions of activity, then, that do not appear within time’s structure, and developments that happen quite naturally, following different laws of development than those you recognize. It is not just that highly accelerated versions of time can occur at other levels of actuality (long pause), but that there are dimensions in which those [versions] are no impediments to the natural “flow” (pause) of events into expression.

(9:40.) Your historical time is, say, but one species of time that dwells upon the earth. [...] Time itself emerges from idea, which is itself timeless (long pause), so in those terms there was no point where time began, though such a reference becomes necessary from your own viewpoint.

(Long pause at 9:55.) The Christ story in the beginning was not nearly as singular and neat as it might now seem, for the finally established official Christ figure was one settled upon from endless versions of a god-man, with which man’s psyche has long been involved: He was the psychic composite, the official Christ, carrying within his psychological personage echoes of old and new gods alike—a figure barely begun, comma, to be filled out in time, although originating outside of it (again, all very intently).

[...] Jane’s eyes had been closed most of the time. [...]

[...] These interchangings occur on many levels: psychologically, chemically, electromagnetically, psychically. [...]

The psychological alterations are miraculous, and so swift that you could not follow them. [...]

[...] In such circumstances, the personality does not leave your system, in your terms, for some time, though this is all subjective. [...]

[...] At the same time her personality is far different than her mother’s, and less focused.

[...] At the same time she does not want him to give in to her.

One of the children is suffering to some extent psychologically because of the dilemma, and you are too much the autocrat with this child, a female.

Her father has been more destructive to her psychological health in some respects than her mother, for he gave her the image of males as weak.

(Pause at 9:30.) At no time will any given church be able to express the inner experience of all individuals. At no time will any church find itself in a position in which it can effectively curtail the inner experience of its members — it will only seem to do so. [...]

In those times men spoke and confided to the spirits of birds, trees, and spiders, knowing that in the interior reality beneath, the nature of these communications was known and understood. In those times, death was not feared as it is in your terms, now, for the cycle of consciousness was understood.

[...] The various personages, the gods and prophets within religious history — these absorb the mass inner projections thrown out by those inhabiting a given time span.

[...] Christ spoke in terms of the father and son because in your terms, at that time, this was the method used — the story he told to explain the relationship between the inner self and the physically-alive individual. [...]