“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

“Because dreams are such a perfect combination of stimuli from the inner environment and the exterior environment, other events are often used to trigger inner dream messages, just as the opposite occurs. And in a gathering of three people watching the same TV drama, say, each of them might be interpreting different portions of the program so that those portions correlate with their individual dreams of the night before, and serve to bring them their dream messages in ways they can accept....”

“Great discrimination is used so that, for example, one newspaper item is noticed over others because a certain portion of that item represents some of the dream’s message. Another portion might come from a neighbor—but from the dreamer’s interpretation of the neighbor’s remark, that further brings home the dream message.”

“Even if you don’t consciously remember your dreams, you do get the message. Part of it will appear in your daily experience in one way or another—in your conversation or daily events.”

“You might dream of going away on a long trip by car, only to find that a tire blew when you were driving too fast. You may never remember the dream. One way or another, however, you will hit upon some kind of situation—a portion of a TV drama, perhaps—in which a tire is blown; or you will see an item of that nature in the newspaper, or you will hear a story, told directly or indirectly about the same kind of dilemma. The magnitude of the physical stimuli with which you are surrounded makes it possible, of course, for any number of like situations to come to your physical attention during any given day. Even then, you might not recall the dream, but the situation itself as it comes to your attention might make you check your tires, decide to put off your trip, or instead lead you to inner speculations about whether you are going too fast in a certain direction for your own good at this time. But you will get the dream’s message.”

That is, trance work you feel requires a safe framework and stresses a private stance even though its messages can be shared. Even then the question arises of public response to trance messages when they contradict official thought—and your questions about how the material might be misused as you explained in God of Jane very well, and—How “responsible” is the conscious mind for trance messages?—How responsible are you for Seth’s messages? [...]

At the same time you’ve felt a strong responsibility to perform publicly, to sell books, get your message across, let people see that—yes, the sessions do happen—there is no fraud involved. [...]

In a way, Ruburt’s call resolved the drama, even though the message is late. Leonard is doing well, and it was indeed his own exaggerated fears about his condition that led to the rather frenzied message to begin with. Therefore, in a way, your body was subjected to stress that it did not need, as the message was translated into physical terms of discomfort. [...]

Now: Had you been following your natural impulses, your body cells would have picked up that message easily. [...] Had you been relaxed, following your impulses, and unhampered by the fearful beliefs that your friend’s condition also aroused, then those cellular messages would have been smoothly translated into an impulse to call Leonard, or to have Ruburt call. [...]

[...] The cells in Leonard’s body—in a manner of speaking—sent out a message for help (pause), “radiated” outward for a receiver. [...]

[...] You would not tell yourself that Leonard could stand some help, because your fear made you misinterpret the message. [...]

(Literal transcript of the results obtained by us on the night of November 26/63 — a few days before we began to receive the series of messages from first Frank Watts, and then Seth.)

(“Do you have a message for us?”)

(“Do you have a message for us?”)

(“What is your message for us?”)

[...] Even while it was, it also got the message across, though the inner drama itself was not recalled, and as the dream merged with historical events, and as it was interpreted by so many, its message also became distorted—or rather, it mixed and merged with other such dreams, whose messages were far different.

Because dreams are such a perfect combination of stimuli from the inner environment and the exterior environment, other events are often used to trigger inner dream messages, just as the opposite occurs. And in a gathering, say, of three people watching the same TV drama, each of them might be interpreting different portions of the program so that those portions correlate with their individual dreams of the night before, and serve to bring them their dream messages in ways they can accept.

Great discrimination is used, so that, for example, certain portions of one newspaper item is noticed over others because that item represents some of the dream’s message. Another portion might come from a neighbor, of course—but from the dreamer’s interpretation of a neighbor’s remark that further brings him the dream message.

Even if you don’t consciously remember your dreams, you do get the message. [...]

[...] Even while it was, it also got the message across, though the inner drama itself was not recalled; and as the dream merged with historical events, and as it was interpreted by so many, its message also became distorted — or rather, it mixed and merged with other such dreams, whose messages were far different.

“Because dreams are such a perfect combination of stimuli from the inner environment and the exterior environment, other events are often used to trigger inner dream messages, just as the opposite occurs. And in a gathering of three people watching the same TV drama, say, each of them might be interpreting different portions of the program so that those portions correlate with their individual dreams of the night before, and serve to bring them their dream messages in ways they can accept….

“Great discrimination is used to do that; for example, one newspaper item is noticed over others because a certain portion of that item represents some of the dream’s message. Another portion might come from a neighbor — but from the dreamer’s interpretation of the neighbor’s remarks, that further brings home the dream message. [...]

“Even if you don’t consciously remember your dreams, you do get the message. [...]

[...] Because our mental habits automatically block out such material, we only recognize one series of neurological happenings — it takes time for the message to leap the nerve endings [the synapses]. We just recognize one speed. Other messages leap too fast or too slow for us to focus upon them. By altering our consciousness in the way I’m learning to do now, though, we can line up our focuses with these other ‘ghostly’ messages, that are quite as real as the neurological validity we usually accept.”

“I almost feel that if you asked me at any time of the day, ‘Jane, what are you getting now?’ that I could tune into any of these areas of information, and tell you … As the messages leap the nerve ends they form certain pulses; we recognize these as messages and ignore all the others. [...]

[...] On that particular Saturday evening you were all involved in the same dream experience, but each of you received your own messages. Some of you did not even remember that the messages had been given. Our cousin of Richelieu over here, however, did, and the message was repeated the following evening with a noted lack of success as far as memory was concerned. [...]

Now before we go into the messages that you were given, I give my warmest welcome over here to our renegade from New York and this jailbird over here in the corner. [...]

(Long pause, eyes closed.) Any mental message is also received, in an electromagnetic code, and directly transferred, bypassing the conscious mind, into movement of the new temporary force field.

This usually requires more effort, and there will be no messages on these occasions. [...]

[...] The clearness of the messages is directly affected by this intensity and stability.

It is difficult to receive a clear message for example when the field itself is not stable. [...]

(Sumari came through with a message to Molly, Pete, Bette, Phil, and Florence. [...]

(Following a discussion of the above, Sumari came through with a message to Janice, Lawrence and Faith, then to Lawrence, Faith and Natalie. [...]

She is concerned because she receives my messages before they are spelled out. [...]

A board is neutral, messages in own mind are not. [...]

(Jane did remember it, beginning with the word superego, but she was receiving the answer very quickly at that point; also she thought she might be consciously tinkering with the message by using such a word as superego.

(“Seth, will you verify Jane’s reception of the above message?”)

Now that material lay in your dream, a part of its message. [...] The very fact that you remembered it, of course, meant that you were willing to become consciously aware of its message. [...]

[...] The whole nature of your independent and joint creativity involved a retreat from the world that you both enjoyed, followed by, in the case of books, an expression in the world—in which, however, the books appeared in your stead: a way of life that involved usual publicity—lectures and so forth—seemed to threaten that kind of existence to Ruburt, in which he feared expression itself would be diverted, simplified, so that the message that finally did get through would not be the same message at all as the original one. [...]

[...] He wondered if he did not have the responsibility, again, to spread the psychic message outward. [...]

(Long pause.) End of session, except to remind you that the dream message also reflects material that I have been giving you concerning creativity and the stressing of pleasure above responsibility. [...]

[...] The physical lapse that occurs between an incoming message (pause, frowning), and its intended destination does not occur on these other levels. The “interior message” gets to its destination ahead of the physical one.

[...] There are definite sounds produced when messages leap from your nerve ends.² It is very difficult to explain some of this, but there is “invisible” light, then, and inaudible sound, that affects your body and helps form the pattern about which it constantly emerges.

[...] The greater interactions have not been perceived, and the true story of the decoding of such messages (much louder abruptly) has not been understood — and take your break.

[...] The perceived lapse noted by scientists is of course the physical one (leaning forward, hand to closed eyes), caused by the “time” it takes the message to leap the nerve endings.³  The interior translation however is simultaneous.

Their message was as “pure” and undistorted as possible. [...] Now, strong portions of Jewish scriptures carry traces of the message of these early Speakers, but even here, distortions have hidden the messages.

(Pause at 9:26.) The inner reality of the message was told in terms that man at the time could understand, in line with his root assumptions. [...]

[...] Because they were trained so well, the messages retained their authenticity. [...]

(After the session I wondered if the Seth material itself could be a distorted version of the Speakers’ messages. [...]

speeds a sweet swift message

its message clear

[...] Sort of a vitalized 4th-dimensional letter or communication, in which, if you will forgive the term, the medium is the message. [...]

I am however, again, automatically a part of the message that I bring to you. [...]

[...] But the teacher exists whether or not he is speaking at that time, in your terms, and his message is as legitimate. [...]

For again, the medium is the message in the spacious present, and when- ever the time for the program arrives I am here in your present, regardless of where I am in what you would term my present.

It was obvious in the bathroom that his legs, which had been stable for several days, and showing improvements, were now trembling and insecure, but he interpreted that bodily message with self-disapproval, at the end of the hallway he had to sit down. You interpreted his situation precisely as he did, and for the same reasons, so of course there was no answer for this manufactured crisis, except that he ignore these bodily messages and act in spite of them.

[...] The body was sending messages simply that the time was not right. [...]

[...] Ruburt was given what he wanted—the psychological stimulation of a friend, who was all ready to visit you because Ruburt’s message had gotten through. [...]

[...] The other bodily messages were as valid, and there was no need to take it for granted, as both of you did, that some element in Ruburt’s personality was rebelliously and purposefully sabotaging you at that time.

[...] It spelled out messages supposedly coming from a Frank Withers (not the real name) who had lived in Elmira and died during the 1940’s.

[...] But we were much more interested in finding out what made the pointer move than in the messages it gave.

“Do you have a message for us?” Rob asked.

From the first few messages, Frank Withers had insisted upon the validity of reincarnation, so Rob said, “What do you think of your various reincarnations?”

[...] The sands were marked with names and messages. [...] To the right people were leaving the plains of sand, yet the plain itself was empty, filled only with the messages that were written there.

[...] The messages represent (pause) philosophies and ideas (pause) that the Seth material and his work will change. The dream is personal and yet more than this, these messages and philosophies will be buried not only by the material but by psychic awareness on the part of many individuals like yourselves.

[...] You and he were about to step out upon the plain, and he held back because he did not want to disturb the messages.

When he begins to walk across the sand, and you with him, new messages will appear there. [...]

[...] During the year she sent me a number of messages “from” and about Jane. [...] In fact, at times I found the similarities between the contents of those messages and my ideas of Jane’s own ambience to be striking.

[...] Are her messages really from Jane, or is she “only” telepathically picking up from me what I want to hear, and flashing it back to me from her trance states — as communications from Jane? [...] The most parsimonious view — the simplest, stingiest one — would be that through studying the Seth Material Valerie subconsciously divines the replies I want from my dead wife, and in all subjective innocence comes through with her trance messages for me, to fit my own stubborn belief in Jane’s survival.

You will join me as I have joined others.
No physical form or physical thought
can express my existence.
The term love, with its message
of caring for another,
is the most important of our
messages in the physical.
Seth Two is to me now what Seth was to you.
I am a step higher but not removed.
Yet, I have changed enough since “my
death” that it is difficult,
at times, to relate to your existence.
The love and the emotions you feel are
the connectives between us.
My love for you has not changed but expanded
in a way you do not comprehend.
Physical needs are for physical beings,
and I understand and know this.
Touch is important at your level.
My new or returned mind loves you more
deeply than in our earth time together,
but it is also much more
understanding of physical need.
When I said, “Be for me as I would
be for thee,” I didn’t mean to limit you.
Be the physical person you need to be,
as you are physical for a limited and
for a purposeful reason.
Enjoy physical reality between others,
for the mind endures and exists
beyond your understanding and existence.
I love you as you were
and as we will be.
Your now is for you to enjoy.
I never judge your actions, and this
I repeat with love and utmost understanding.
Be yourself and in being yourself
you will be for me as I would be for thee.
You do well and I watch you often.
Continue to love physical life
while you are physical.

[...] A commitment is required upon my part in this case: I think that Valerie’s message for me is from Jane. [...] Yet I have my own intuitive proof, because I strongly feel that the contents of Valerie’s message fit very well both the physical and the nonphysical Jane Roberts.