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TES4 Session 195 October 4, 1965 29/84 (35%) Lorraine Asheville dreamer Marleno breakage
– The Early Sessions: Book 4 of The Seth Material
– © 2013 Laurel Davies-Butts
– Session 195 October 4, 1965 9 PM Monday as Scheduled

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(This afternoon Jane called her publisher, Frederick Fell, and was pleased to learn that he liked her ESP book very much. The decks are now cleared for publication next April. Jane was also curious to hear Mr. Fell’s voice, to see what impressions she might pick up.

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(Lorraine Shafer was a witness for the session. She had witnessed the 193rd session also. The session was held in our front room, and was not interrupted. Jane spoke while sitting down and with her eyes closed. Her voice was quiet for the most part. She began rather slowly, then picked up some speed.)

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(Jane smiled as she spoke. By the Jesuit and the cat lover Seth meant of course Bill and Peggy Gallagher, who have witnessed quite a few sessions. Jane and I soon noticed that Seth did not refer to Lorraine very often, even when she was a witness, and have speculated about the reasons for this. By contrast we have obtained a good deal more information about the Gallaghers, and Jane has been aware of better “contacts” somehow in relation to them. Our thought has been that if Lorraine kept coming to sessions, sooner or later Seth would speak to her.)

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(Jane had been speaking rather quietly if rapidly, with her eyes closed. Lorraine, who was also taking shorthand notes, sat close by. Now Jane, her eyes still closed, leaned rather quickly toward Lorraine and her voice boomed out briefly. I confess that I jumped. I didn’t have time to observe Lorraine’s reaction.)

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(Break at 9:22. Jane was dissociated as usual for a first delivery. Her voice had been mostly even, her pace rather fast toward the end. A trace of her peculiar brogue had been apparent also, and usually when the brogue revealed itself the voice grew a bit in strength.

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(One of the questions Lorraine had at break, in relation to Seth’s statement about helping her, was whether Seth would help through Jane, or through Lorraine herself directly.

(Jane’s voice was a bit deeper and stronger when she began speaking again. Again her eyes were closed, her pace fast, her brogue more often apparent. Resume at 9:35.)

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Dreamer “A” for example may pick up telepathically a small but particular portion of a dream by dreamer “B”. Dreamer “A” need not necessarily have an emotional connection with dreamer “B”. However there will be at the very least an emotional connection between the event within dreamer “B’s” dream, that has strong meaning for dreamer “A”. A man may dream of a childhood experience in which he was bitten by a dog. Another man who was also bitten by a dog, may then for example telepathically pick up the original dream. Not because he is necessarily connected with the dreamer, but because the experience will strike at him emotionally, and he will then attract the dream.

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(Break at 9:55. Jane had been dissociated as usual. Her eyes had remained closed, her pace had been good. I had indeed been watching the volume of her voice, for several times during this delivery I thought I noticed a tendency to escalate in volume. A couple of times I was on the verge of asking Seth to be careful, but the voice quieted each time by itself.

(Jane’s voice had been pitched quite a bit lower than usual, even when quiet, and this was a bit unusual in that the deeper voice usually grows stronger also. See the 191st session for Seth’s explanation of why the voice grows so much stronger at times.

(I might also add that we recently learned of other people hearing Seth’s strong voice during the unscheduled 190th session. This was the session witnessed by John Bradley. It will be remembered that a young couple from next door heard Seth, and came over to see if anything was wrong. A couple of days ago Jane and I learned that other people in our apartment house heard the voice, and were quite curious.

(Jane’s pace was somewhat slower when she began speaking again. Her eyes were closed, her voice quieter, and she used pauses. She sat with her head down, a hand to her brow. Resume at 10:05.)

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There is a litter of papers, however, that are not in sight in a drawer. He has forgotten about us until very late. He lies down. (Pause at 10:10.) He seems to be in a dissociated state, but whether or not it was produced purposely I do not know.

He thinks of a ring, and a peel. He had a phone call at 3 PM today, from a colleague, having to do with something discussed in a letter; though I am not sure that the letter was written to, or by, the individual on the other end of the phone.

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Now. Ruburt was upset because of the failure of our last test. Nevertheless, if you have a test for us this evening then we shall do what we can, since it is not good particularly for him to refrain through fear. The tests in the overall will take care of themselves in any case. We shall have too many successes to worry. Therefore, if you have a test for us we shall see what we can do.

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Then we will thank you for your consideration of Ruburt. The fact that he was willing enough to allow me to request a test is however a point in our favor.

(“I thought it was a good idea to vary the routine.”)

This is perfectly legitimate. We will try something else. A situation occurred when Marleno was 15 or thereabouts, that had much to do with her later choices and actions. Her mother was partially involved, although as a consequence. She did not initiate the circumstance.

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The word maple comes to mind. I do not know to what this refers... An address, I do not know. I believe another person was connected with the event, and that it occurred in afternoon, late, or evening. Perhaps in winter or autumn.

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(A conversation followed concerning the above data, which was too fast and involved for me to note down fully. Being surprised, Lorraine needed some time to think, for memory to work. At first thought she recalled nothing involving herself as a 15-year-old. Lorraine then began to recall bits and pieces of events which, she thought, might fall within the pattern Seth had been producing in the rest of the data.

(Jane said that although Seth did not say so, she felt the data on Lorraine was set in the South. Lorraine agreed, saying that if it concerned an incident she was beginning to recall, it would have taken place in Asheville, NC. Jane also picked up leaf images in connection with a porch on the first floor.

(Lorraine had three children then, and they did sleep in back bedrooms of the apartment house in Asheville, NC, she said. As to a front door precisely in the center of a front room, Lorraine was not sure. She said this could be deceptive. If one looked at the front of the house from the outside, he would see a single door in front, in the center of the house; but this was a door opening into a hallway, with apartments opening off on either side, and thus would not be in the middle of a front room.

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With all due respects to Ruburt, he was right in one respect and wrong in another. The porch to the front was shadowed. He correctly picked up the leaf images; however it was not the first floor. The door was in the center. However, my viewpoint is not precise enough perhaps, but I have the picture of a door precisely centered, leading outward. And I am working here despite the unwitting blocks that are erected. I see something yellow and something rose; and voices rising, and something broken. This is on my part an emotional breakage.

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I believe the breakage was emotional, and yet I somehow connect it with the sound of glasses, whether the man had been drinking strongly or not; this could explain the glasses, which are strongly connected to me here.

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(End at 10:43. Jane was again well dissociated, as she had been during the previous delivery. Her eyes had remained closed, her pace had been good, her voice average.

(Lorraine thought the date of the incident she had in mind could be interpreted as early in April, probably in 1944, in Asheville, NC. It would, she said, be in the springtime however, rather than in winter or autumn. She said her family had lived on the second floor rather than the first, and agreed with Seth’s description, now, of the placement of the front, or porch, door. Seth mentioned “something yellow and something rose.” Lorraine told us the walls of the apartment were painted yellow, and that the furniture was of the old-fashioned kind with large rose decorations.

(Lorraine is separated from her husband. Seth’s whiskey connection arises from the fact that he was drinking heavily at that time in Asheville; the only time he did so. There were arguments, Lorraine said. If her youngest child, a boy, had listened, he did so at the age of one. Lorraine remembers a black mailbox; the apartment of course had a rear entry also. Lorraine described a party to us.

(There was no black car connected with her during the stay in Asheville, Lorraine said. But she owned a black car in 1960, while living in Elmira, several years before we met her. This is the only black car she has had, or been closely associated with. She did not own it when we met her a few months ago.

(These notes are my interpretation of what was said about Seth’s data. I asked Lorraine to make up her own notes for later insertion in the record. She took shorthand notes of tonight’s session.

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