“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

There are events on what you would call the minus side of being. They would be nonevents to you, not only because you would not experience them but because, in your terms now, they would seem to rush back through the source of unconsciousness. They would be unhappening, unbecoming, again in your terms.

They would rush through being to unbeing, vanishing, it would seem to you, into extinction. On that other side of being however, where unbeing would seem to be, on the underside of existence as you think of it, is a phenomena that can hardly be translated into words. [...]

Were your recorder set up again, I would simply chat with you in a give and take session that would allow you to ask more questions. [...]

It also involves subsidiary accomplishment that is not demanding, but that would always be a necessary part of any avocation of his. [...]

The chemically inhibited tendencies would to some extent be forcefully blanketed through medication. The problem would remain, though, and it is quite possible that overt suicidal tendencies could result; or more insidious hidden suicidal inclinations, where vital organs would be attacked.

Sometimes such cases are handled within another framework, in which Augustus would be considered possessed by an independent “evil” entity whenever Augustus Two took over. Now again, if Augustus somehow changed his beliefs it is possible that even within that framework some kind of cure would be effected. But at the same time the dangers and difficulties would make such a cure relatively impossible.

If chemical alteration were made in Augustus Two he would return to the Augustus One personality, but the change would be artificial — not permanent, and possibly quite dangerous.

[...] Convincing Augustus that he was under the domination of an evil entity would be step one. [...] Augustus must then always be “good,” and yet he would always feel vulnerable to another such invasion of evil. [...]

I would definitely speak to this Father Martin before approaching anyone else, simply because his attitude would enable him to work well with us, I believe that he may be available, though not for any long period. He would be much more apt to be discreet and dependable, and he is more or less outside the regular community in which you live, which could be to your benefit. [...]

[...] They all would add to your work load, though none of them alone would take much time. [...]

It would be necessary to take your temperature many times during the evening, and to correlate the findings with the various levels of the subconscious as they displayed themselves through their characteristic activities within the dream series. Such an experiment would be extremely difficult.

[...] We know several doctors on a social basis, but for various reasons hesitate to ask one of them to perform these duties; we would also like to repeat these studies regularly, and could hardly expect a medical man to be available in this respect.

Our Jesuit would want to hurt himself, and become therefore the victim in such an accident, or be the victim of some kind of one-man affair. The boys would want to hurt others. Unnumbered elements can still intrude to change their probability, even now, however; but the probabilities when Ruburt perceived the impressions were that the event would occur. [...]

(Peggy told Jane that Gardner Road was in Horseheads, and that she would check the address there that Jane had given in trance. Peg also agreed that she and Bill would be very careful riding their bikes. [...]

Such an accident would occur in a period of exuberance, rather than for example when he was driving in connection with his duties at work. In letting down, there is the danger that he would let down too far, forgetting caution.

[...] I don’t recall if he wears rings; but if not then the ring finger would be hurt, particularly. [...]

If you read your selves adjacently, you would build up confidence in the body, and in those cooperative consciousnesses that form it. You would have an intimate awareness of the body’s healing processes also. You would not fear death as annihilation, and would feel your own consciousness gently disentangle itself from those others that so graciously couched it.

If you “read yourselves” sideways in such a manner, you would discover portions of your own consciousness stretching out across the entire fabric of the earth as you understand it — becoming a part of the earth’s material, even as those materials become part of the self that you recognize. Your consciousness would be far less hemmed in. Time would expand adjacently. [...]

If you thought or felt in such a fashion, then you would appreciate the fact that biologically your body is yours by virtue of the mineral, plant and animal life from which it gains its sustenance. You would not feel imprisoned as you often do within one corporal form, for you would understand that the body itself maintains its relative stability because of its constant give-and-take with the materials of the earth that are themselves possessed of consciousness.

[...] But other quite as legitimate “yous” may write, read, and experience the same page backwards, or read each letter downward and back up again, as you would a column of figures. [...]

[...] And determined that he would try to circumvent it—hence your sketches in Dialogues; for despite your avid and determined dislike of the marketplace and its imperfections, of which he is more aware than you think, he thought that he would still see to it that your talent was placed to some extent at least before the world —rail as you would against the stupidities and poor craftsmanship. He was determined, protesting or not, that your work would see the light of day, that despite any compromises its merits would appear.

He had far greater faith than you that your artistic integrity would affect Prentice, so that your drawings would emerge mainly as you intended them. You have dragged your feet, my dear friend, fearing that the inadequacies of the physical condition would mar the integrity of your work. You did not understand that your integrity would affect the physical conditions, and the people involved.

[...] The book also however shines with your own contribution, and if you would hide your talent, he consistently demanded that you show it. [...]

[...] Seth doubted John would make the move, because of his desire for security for his family, and because of his need for cosmopolitan outlets. These were met in his sales work, but would not be so easily satisfied if he were a proprietor of a settled establishment.

Seth said that no changes would occur in the organization with which John is now connected, Searle Drug, until next February at the earliest. [...] Seth said the new project would be a success if John actually bought the business.

[...] At these points Seth would remark about using such a position to attain more power, and would talk about how impossible such an effect was for Jane to attain normally.)

[...] Seth told us that later Dr. Instream would help us out in this respect, although he didn’t know it yet. Seth said there was a woman at the college in Oswego who would do the work. [...]

[...] If I thought you were a sheep then I would try to lead you. And I would tell you where to go and what to do. You could ask me questions about your personal life and I would not require that you think for yourself. Instead, I would be quite happy to tell you what to do and to sit here and receive your thanks. If I thought you had no abilities of your own, and this applies to all of you, if I did not know that you were multidimensional personalities with all kinds of abilities at your disposal, then I would not tell you to think and feel for yourselves. I would not say you have the ability within you to solve your own problems. I would solve them for you. [...]

And if I solved them for you, then you would go about your way, but you would have no faith in your own abilities and you would have learned nothing. [...]

It would be of value only if you realized that you create your physical reality now. If you knew that you had a karmic tie with your wife and did not realize that you formed your own reality through your own thoughts and desires, then it would serve you not at all. You would still be imprisoned. [...]

It would indeed. And you would think that all you had to do was to solve the problem that had existed in the past... [...]

In actuality, following the image through, and strictly as an analogy, there would also be an infinite number of threads, both above and below your own, all part of one inconceivably miraculous webwork. Yet each thread itself would not be one-dimensional, but of many dimensions, and conceivably (underlined), if you knew how (Jane pointed at me for emphasis, still speaking rapidly), there would be ways of leaping from one thread to the other. You would not therefore be forced to follow any particular thread in a single-line fashion.

[...] Any such self A would, without understanding or shortcuts, development, or even average progression, would travel thread A along the narrow line toward infinity. At some point however thread A would turn into thread B. In the same manner at some point thread B would turn into C and so forth.

Now your time, your past, present and future, as you conceive of them, would be experienced entirely as present to many of these other personality structures. However your past, present and future would be experienced entirely and completely as past, to still other personality structures.

At some inconceivable point all of the threads would be in turn traversed. Self A, now on thread A, would not be aware in his present, of the quote “future” selves on the other threads. [...]

[...] After saying that Jane would live into her eighties also, he said that we would be instrumental in offering conclusive evidence for the survival of the personality after physical death. Without naming names, he told me that the one of us dying first would succeed in communicating with the surviving partner in such a way that the results would give conclusive proof “to the masses.”

(Experiments would be set up in advance of the death of either Jane or I, Seth said, that would furnish this convincing proof once one of us died. [...] Seth went on to say that once this proof was made known and accepted, it would change the behavior of every man on earth, for man would have to live his physical life in the face of knowledge of an afterlife.

(Seth also agreed with me concerning my memory of earlier sessions in which he stated she would live to old age. Since our index is not completed for all the sessions, I cannot find as many exact references here as I would like, other than to ask Seth for help in naming particular sessions, and do not know whether this is possible. [...]

[...] Seth then told me I would live to be 87. [...]

[...] That would be a healthy and reasonable response. Had this happened in each such case the annoyance would not have continued. Even if it had, you would then be justified in taking more firm steps.

[...] By reacting normally you would indeed teach her respect for the regards of others, and she would have felt your reaction quite justified.

[...] In the morning it would be good for him to say this aloud, or even sing it in an exuberant manner.

Your irritation would have been understandable and in proper proportion to the annoyance. [...]

Two men in particular would distrust you instantly if you changed course. Winning these two would take much of your energies and in the end, my dear misguided Philip, would get you absolutely nowhere because they will lose their influence. [...]

[...] In the first place, having little respect for yourself for following such a course, you would not even be able to put on the act which you contemplate. Your sense of falseness would immediately be picked up by your superiors.

[...] In your dealings with these people you would immediately find yourself in difficulty. The hypocrisy simply would not go deep enough.

You had best avoid such a course as you mentioned; for purely practical reasons it would be disastrous and the results would be felt in all areas of your life. [...]

[...] They would, of course, be invisible. But if you could view them, each individual unit would have its poles lined up in the same manner. It would look like one single unit—say, it is of circular form—so it would appear like a small globe with the poles lined up as in your earth.

Without an understanding of these rhythms, the activity of the units would appear haphazard, chaotic, and there would seem to be nothing to hold the units together. [...] The “nucleus”—now using a cell analogy—if these units were cells, which they are not, then it would be as if the nucleus were constantly changing position, flying off in all directions, dragging the rest of the cell along with it. [...]

If this large unit were then attracted to another larger one, circular, with the poles running east and west, in your terms, then the first unit would change its own polarity, and all of the units within it would do the same. The energy point would be halfway between these poles, regardless of their position, and it (the energy point) forms the poles. [...]

[...] Jane and I sat to see if Seth would come through. [...]

[...] These symptoms further aggravated his fears of dependence, and in his worse moments he feared that he would become a cripple and you would leave him. [...]

[...] Without the emergence into consciousness, the difficulties would have continued to some degree.

There would have been no overwhelming conflict for him, hence no such physical symptoms as he has encountered, if he was content, you see, basically to let you carry the financial ball—in other words, if he were truly a dependent personality.

In that case, the symptoms, whatever they were, would most likely have been yours.

[...] Certainly cold sober though I would not have allowed myself to behave in this manner. [...] The question arises: Would such experiences bring their own discipline and protection? [...] At least I don’t believe we would have.

[...] I’d even go so far as to say that an overly disciplined attitude would lead to a fairly decent and balanced frame of mind. A permissive attitude would make me more frightened. Looking back, I see that the situation actually was strictly supervised; if not I do not think I would have done anything. [...]

(I don’t believe the performance would have taken place either if I didn’t feel basically protected—with Rob of course; and also knowing I would trust the Gallaghers implicitly. [...]

(I recall telling Barb she would make another? [...] attempts on her life, but would die in her early eighties of [pneumonia?]. [...]

The ego would have chosen an easier road, through fiction. (Pause.) Through easy success, through in fact a far more shallow route, but the intuitive self would have suffered drastically in your future, and there would have been severe difficulties.

[...] Ruburt’s ego would have avoided the questions and taken the easy road, and this easy road would not have developed the full potentials that were necessary if the personality were to use its creative and intuitional abilities in any important manner.

[...] I would hold your hand, but that would probably frighten you more than anything else. [...]

[...] The deepest needs and desires of the personality had to be aroused and deeply involved in an endeavor that would allow the personality to use its full strength in a focused and emotionally intense manner.

[...] They were diverse but in both, in the main, you would have been working toward the same objectives. And in one you would have devoted your existence to studying the inner nature of reality. You would have been contemplative. Now to the extreme you would have joined an order, for awhile, of a religious nature and later you would have left it. You would have had neither wife nor child. Your questioning nature would have followed the aesthetic life with devotion and without deviation. [...]

In the other probability, you would have pursued the same goals but you would have done it to prove the reality within physical matter. [...] This experience alone would drive you to continue to ask your questions and seek for answers. Only the medium or framework of experience would be different. [...]

[...] If it would not be love, then I would not be here, and if it were not for love, you would not have the planet that you know. [...]

[...] I would give you a medal, but I do not have one available. [...]

[...] He felt that you believed that, given a free hand, his habits would be too exuberant. He would have, or would keep, odd hours, no schedule, be messy.

[...] I was often forced to structure my work along lines that would bring approval. (Pause.) He feared the psychic developments, though they were one of my most creative endeavors, because he was afraid they would bring scorn instead.

[...] Verbal humiliation was easiest to bear, but his mother would immediately show all kinds of extremely serious symptoms, for which Ruburt would be adamantly blamed.

[...] Our cottage here is within a hundred yards of the spot where we camped with Jane’s father in the late 1950’s. I would say now, without checking with Seth, that any thought of nostalgia we might have derived from returning here would have been better ignored. [...]

[...] He would not have an ordinary job. He would force himself into a position where he must indeed make good through his work, financially and otherwise. He tried to emulate what he thought your actions would be in the same circumstances at the time this began.

Before, necessity would not allow it. [...] He would force himself to devote all his energies in that direction, to silence for example any stray temptations to go out into the yard in working time, to visit friends. He would see to it that he could not give in to such temptations.

He thought that he would have your approval, that you also would do anything necessary in order to put all of your energies into your work. [...]

The body often would not allow sleep, since the muscles simply needed to be used. They would jump on their own simply for the exercise, regardless of suggestions that sleep come. [...]

[...] If you were, or if man A was blind, he would not see the tree in question. If he were deaf he would not hear the car. [...] It would be as if instead of seeing the various houses or whatever, our man instead felt them. [...]

Now our man would not vaguely sense these objects, he would feel them. He would be sensitive to them, in other words, while not touching them with anything like physical hands, as for example you feel heat or cold without necessarily touching ice or fire.

This sense would permit our man to feel the basic sensations felt by the tree, so that instead of looking at the tree his consciousness would expand to contain the experience of what it is like to be a tree. According to his proficiency, in a like manner he would feel the experience of being the intervening grass and so forth.

He would in no way lose consciousness of who he was, and he would perceive these experiences, again, somewhat in the same manner that you perceive heat and cold. In your camouflage pattern you must adapt yourself to the effects of heat and cold, but our man in the inner world would not be under any such obligation. [...]