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If you treat her as a desirable woman, you will find a difference in your home atmosphere. If you cannot do this, then you must treat her primarily as an individual person. But if you treat her as a woman primarily, it must be as a desirable woman, or she will find no content as a woman or as an individual.

Now, the girl respects Philip because he will not be dominated. On the other hand the woman image that she understands, because of her mother, is a dominating woman image. To her she fails as a female if she cannot hold him in line. At the same time her personality is far different than her mother’s, and less focused.

However, in the main you are doing two things wrong. You are treating her primarily as a woman rather than an individual person, but you are not treating her as a desirable woman rather than an individual person.

And if you treat her as a desirable woman, she will become one. You are treating her as a wife and mother, primarily. With this particular individual this is not adequate. She wants to be regarded as a desirable woman who happens to be your wife and a mother.

There is also a reason why Ruburt saw the former gallery administrator in the old woman dream, immediately after he perceived the old woman dead. I had mentioned that this woman was known to you in previous life. [...] However, the elements of the dream were disintegrating, and he saw the woman in the form with which he is familiar with her in this life. [...]

[...] In it she was aware of an old woman, but not of her personal presence, of 83 or 85. The old woman had just died, yet her last day was filled with activity and work. [...]

[...] Jane then had the feeling that somehow she, Jane, was the old woman who had died.

[...] And first of all, may I mention that I was ready to have a brief session last evening, because of the conditions, and because of the woman’s need.

Now I understand that to one closely and daily involved with the woman, it is difficult to see purpose or reason in the condition. Since the egotistical knowledge of the woman does not include this data, there are of course difficulties here also. But the inner self of the woman knows that in facing such a condition and finding nevertheless some moments of joy, even some compassion for others, that the personality has satisfied many of those feelings of inadequacy from the past existence. [...]

The situation with the woman is as I have given it.

[...] We have given information concerning the woman’s past lives, that have led to the adoption of this illness.

Earlier I recommended a good hypnotist, hoping that the woman might find her way if positive suggestions were given; for even if the inner self had solved its problems, it would need help, psychological help, in reversing the physical trend. [...]

[...] I would say the woman would be over 35, or give the appearance of being so. [...] (Pause.) The woman, the older woman, is in a state of inner emotional turmoil, that should be resolved by the end of May.

Now Mossman’s Eve should not drive with an older woman on these days. [...] The older woman has a sharp nose and rather elongated features.

The danger then lies with association with the woman, on Eve’s part. The accident, again, would be comparatively minor unless the older woman’s inner existence drastically changes for the worse. [...]

Some additional problems for the woman who called, and marriage to a man with something wrong with a leg, perhaps only a slight limp. [...] Eventual strengthening of the woman’s personality. [...]

If you treat her as a desirable woman, you will find a difference in your home atmosphere. [...] But if you treat her as a woman primarily, it must be as a desirable woman, or she will find no content as a woman or as an individual.

[...] On the other hand the woman image that she understands, because of her mother, is a dominating woman image. [...]

[...] Every other week a cleaning woman works at his home on Wednesdays, helping his wife with heavier chores. John’s wife is named Mary-Ellen, the cleaning woman is Lois. [...]

[...] You are treating her primarily as a woman rather than an individual person; but you are not treating her as a desirable woman rather than an individual person.

(Here Seth refers to the suicide of a woman last Wednesday, May 22. A few weeks ago Seth gave a recorded session for the woman at the request of a member of Jane’s ESP class. The woman had threatened suicide before. [...] A few days ago Jane learned that the woman for whom the session was intended had never listened to the tape, refusing to do so even though she had requested the session.)

[...] (Eyes open.) The woman’s death was foremost as far as probabilities were concerned, and yet at many points at the time of our session she could have altered those probabilities.

[...] However, the woman chose the time of her death, with the subconscious knowledge of the whole family.

(Jane did not meet the woman or children; she did meet the husband last year while job hunting.)

Yet to Ruburt’s mother, if you were a woman you either banked as she had on that femininity, and used it as a tool, or you became educated. [...] She also felt that Ruburt was a poor woman to begin with, in a way, because the intellect and femininity did not seem to mix—that is, Ruburt’s mother considered them odd components.

Childbirth might fulfill a woman and destroy a writer. Economically it might also destroy the artist who was the woman’s husband. [...]

[...] Because he considered himself a writer, and because he considered a writer something different from a woman, it was difficult for him to realize that he was both.

[...] As we move toward door shadows, almost same, I see one woman carrying Rob’s landscape (the one in our bedroom) pushing it ahead of her. When we almost have it made one woman says to hell with it, she can’t take it another minute; she’s just going to stand up and show herself no matter what. [...]

[...] A woman is in trouble from taking drugs. [...]

[...] A woman’s death, not your own, or your daughter in 1968. [...] I think she did & that I blocked, saying it was another woman—would also explain later emotional bit.] Greenwich, Connecticut, connection very strong within three years. [...]

[...] This is separate and the woman here…a strong school connection again…3 o’clock or late afternoon…number 414…now this could be the hour 4:14 or month…I do not know…Green room…202 or 213..whether this is a month or year or house number I don’t know…a grip…a strong grip…in the afternoon…in a room…a woman, gray hair, buck teeth…yellow teeth…She yells out and calls and a young boy comes in blue clothes & bicycle…I think he rides….It’s 1943 or 1947…Room is green…yellow…Room is green…no, cream…yellow…it’s afternoon…..

[...] The woman’s session, to him, was to some degree a test of the material’s practical worth to someone in deep trouble. The woman’s death obviously meant that it did not pass. [...] The woman did not want the session, and had made a decision she did not intend to change. [...]

[...] He also felt that Venice needed the proof of that woman’s complete recovery, and felt that perhaps his own doubts or fears prevented delivery of the particular information that might make the woman decide to live.

[...] He was disappointed in me, also, thinking that I should have been able to save the woman. [...] On a deeply unconscious level he worried that perhaps symbolically he did not want to save the woman—who was, incidentally a mother. [...]

[...] A woman choosing to have no children is not a woman they can understand, yet each wonders what other abilities of their own they might have nourished, or what they would have been. [...]

(At break John confirmed that there was a child in the woman’s background, and a legal paper. He heard both mentioned in a general way during his conversation with the woman, and cannot recall more details at the moment. [...] John said another man was with the woman when he talked to her, and that actually he spent as much time talking with her male companion as he did the woman. [...] John had not told us before this that the woman had had a male companion.

(John told us later that the male companion with the woman was a car salesman; hence Jane’s possible associative connection with mechanics. Still, as said before, we do not know for sure whether the woman’s male companion of that evening is the male referred to by Seth.

(Note by John Bradley, June 8,1966: “Companion at bar with woman was a car salesman and about 24-26 years old. He is not the man involved with the woman. [...]

I spoke as I did when I did, Philip, because of what the woman had in mind, which did not specifically enter your conversation.

“I am a lovely young woman” is particularly good because it automatically identifies Ruburt with grace, agility and health. [...] He has in his mind seen himself not as a woman who had certain symptoms, along with many excellent good points and abilities, but he has identified himself primarily at times with the symptoms alone. Hence the appalling “monster woman” image that sprang to his mind.

The “lovely young woman” phrase incidentally is an excellent one for him to use. [...]

[...] He comes through as an extremely attractive, highly intelligent young woman, with strong psychic and creative abilities, unusual insight into the problems of others—as a writer, a psychic, and as “the mistress” of a delightful establishment.

He also comes through as a young woman with some problems, with a repressive tendency that is physically materialized, with dogmatic and somewhat rigid distorted ideas that have only lately really been understood by the personality. [...]

[...] A man who looks somewhat Lou Grant (television star Ed Asner) writes me a note saying that I’ve touched him as no other woman ever has. I read this, and on the other side is a note by a woman that is disruptive in some way. [...]

[...] His ego image, or in this case Jane’s ego image, is that of, among other things, a black-haired young woman, and that of a woman writer who smokes.

I would suggest that Jane do what I presume is womanly, and to a woman logical under the circumstances. [...]

(Seth came through as we were discussing the rather striking fact that while in Puerto Rico the Gallaghers met a woman physiotherapist from Duke University. [...] This woman knows Dr. Rhine well. [...]

(Seth said it was coincidence that the Gallaghers and the woman from Duke were in Puerto Rico at the same time, but not coincidence when they met. [...]

Through the woman at Duke our Jesuit picked up inner information which he has given to Ruburt... [...]

(Peggy and Bill met the woman from Duke in Puerto Rico.)

(2nd Question: Who is the woman referred to in the card and portrait? “The woman I believe strange to you, or at least in different surroundings or attire.” [...]

[...] One of the woman in the background.” [...] In this context it would seem that Barbara would be the woman in the background, since the actual envelope object was an item of Jane’s. Other interpretations could reverse this order however. [...]

[...] Some, to me, indistinct connection between the strange young woman here with your friends, and Emma Martin. [...]

[...] I have the image of a circular object within a rectangular one, or rather an oval shape as in a portrait of a woman that is oval, for example as in old-time valentines.

(Pause, one of many here.) This woman has made that decision. The woman is one for whom the wife feels strong emotional attachment. [...]

[...] For your private information, middle or late March… I do not know whether this is the woman’s death (open eyes, pointing at me), but it is an event involving death of a woman (gestures) close to the wife, you see?

[...] Concerning the ill woman.

The dream of which the man spoke to Ruburt had some clairvoyant elements in it, but the time of the woman’s death is not in the immediate (underlined) future.

[...] A woman will often feel her most sexually active in the midst of the menstrual period, precisely when conception is least apt to occur. [...] The blood was an obvious sign that the woman at her period was relatively “barren.” [...]

[...] You stress the importance of sexual identification, for it seems to you that a young child must know that it will grow up to be a man or woman, in the most precise of terms — (louder) toeing the line in the least particular.

[...] A woman doubtful of her complete femininity in the same manner does not trust the integrity of her personhood.

These are simple enough examples, but the man who possesses interests considered feminine by your culture, who naturally wants to enter fields of interest considered womanly, experiences drastic conflicts between his sense of personhood and identity — and his sexuality as it is culturally defined. [...]

[...] She has been told often that a woman without a man is in a very difficult situation, particularly a woman with children. [...] She has been informed that children need a father, and feels at the same time that no man wants to become involved with a woman with children.

Dictation: Today Ruburt received a call from a young woman I will name Andrea. [...]

In her thirties, it seems to her that youth is fast fleeing, and in line with her beliefs she cannot see a woman who is much older being desirable. [...]

Now: This was a way of assisting the young woman involved, and others too. [...]

(“I believe an older woman.” The third question sought to find out who the other woman was beside Jane. See the woman data on page 230. We think this answer reinforces our interpretations of the woman data, and the symbolic blue data just noted. [...]

(My fourth question asked for the initials of this older woman. [...] The older woman data leads Ruburt to make personal associations which could be distortive.” [...]

Connection with another woman. [...]

(“Who is the other woman beside Ruburt?”)