“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

[...] That experience of Ruburt’s and Joseph’s was completely new. I was, in those terms, not the Ruburt that Ruburt is. My experiences as Ruburt were different, and Ruburt’s experiences as Seth, in those terms, will be different. Ruburt will be a different Seth than I am.³⁰

[...] But I speak through Ruburt, and Ruburt is himself and I am myself, yet without your support of Ruburt I could not speak. This in no way minimizes my reality, or Ruburt’s.

(From the 54th session for May 18, 1964:) Your Ruburt was, indeed, Seth … I have promised to give you more material dealing with the psychic construction of the entity, and its relationship with its various [physical] personalities. In the beginning, I could not tell you in so many words that Ruburt is myself, because you would have leaped to the conclusion that I was Ruburt’s subconscious mind, and this is not so.

(From the 119th session for January 6, 1965:) Ruburt should learn much of advantage from the book by Jung¹⁶ which he is reading. [...] I use the name “Jane” here rather than “Ruburt” because the animus belongs to Jane and to the present personality. Talk about reflections — because Ruburt has an anima!¹⁷

The increased activity and the release of impulses with these sessions, and your pendulum work, are once again arousing Ruburt’s body and mind, and your own, so that you have an excellent chance now for Ruburt to recover. [...] Remember what I said about muscular activity, so that when Ruburt does have a sore day, say, you do not become discouraged.

[...] Almost immediately after your chair suggestion, and with the work you are both doing, Ruburt’s mind and body began to respond. [...] The definite improvements are therefore the result of Ruburt’s determination, and your support, but also of the body’s resiliency when it is allowed to follow its natural impulses.

[...] Do not forget Framework 2. Ruburt need not go abroad in the world to promote our ideas, nor have I ever suggested it. The ideas are best promoted through these sessions, and books—and not by hasty encounters on television, where answers must be simplified and ideas diluted, but in the reasoned writings that build in their own way, tell Ruburt, resting upon the great framework of the intuitions’ knowledge. [...]

[...] They were dropped into the water, the realm of Ruburt’s fears, by a young man who represented an earlier self who thought success was a male prerogative. The glasses came up cleansed, but together again, and the frames were updated—so that Ruburt’s fears, encountered as he is doing of late, actually allow him to see better and clear his vision. [...]

Now I have come through in Ruburt’s classes rather frequently of late, and this has been to his advantage. [...] They in turn set up a supportive psychic atmosphere that adds to Ruburt’s well-being.

[...] The components of Ruburt’s personality and of your own, Joseph, have changed since our sessions began. Now, Ruburt’s whole personality had to assimilate the knowledge that he was receiving, but this automatically changed the personality from what it was.

Now Ruburt is not speaking egotistically, for himself. [...] It was lit, though Ruburt fearfully tried to close it down. [...]

[...] Ruburt just now wanted to tell you that he felt somewhat differently now immediately before sessions.

(9:44.) It is obvious that Ruburt’s body is responding, and it is responding eagerly to the approaches you are now using, because it is dealing with the entire picture. The area at the right side of the back of the head, in Ruburt’s case, physically speaking, is a trigger point for motion. [...]

[...] That would not mean, for example, that Ruburt was not using his abilities. As far as impulses are concerned, most likely Ruburt could have three or four excellent sessions a week at certain periods in your lives, and there would be periods of vacation also. [...]

[...] Ruburt’s point of power is progressing well. You own attitude could hardly be better, as far as Ruburt is concerned, since we are not looking for saintly behavior (amused). [...]

Everything that I have said should further help Ruburt, so that he feels more at ease. Remember the use of the playful creative abilities, because again they can lead you to further ideas that would trigger unanticipated positive results in Ruburt’s condition, as per your chair idea, the table in the kitchen, and so forth.

To some extent, then, you and Ruburt have been behaving as if the planets from Star Trek could appear in your living room. Your actions were not appropriate—Ruburt’s in particular. [...]

Physically Ruburt is making great strides, but do not become impatient, again, with the walking, for certain improvements cannot show physically until a certain overall proficiency is reached. [...] Ruburt is subjectively aware of them.

[...] Ruburt’s actions were appropriate for the horror program, and so were some of yours when you were afraid of painting because it did not bring in money. [...] Ruburt’s spontaneity escaped all of his “language,” in other words. [...]

In Ruburt’s case there was a build-up of tension. [...]

Ruburt’s training is coming along very well. [...] As Ruburt becomes more proficient there will be less screening of material. [...] At the present time Ruburt in these sessions is able to let me speak, obviously, which means that Ruburt allows me to come through.

Nevertheless the two of you interact, and because Ruburt is strongly intuitional at times he is a help to you. And at other times Ruburt senses your state of mind even before it materializes, and this sends Ruburt into an overanxious state which is not beneficial to either of you.

[...] Ruburt’s seemingly impractical suggestions in the past have been much more practical than some of your intellectual so-called practical conclusions. At the time Ruburt felt intuitively the importance of dissociation but didn’t know how to achieve it.

[...] Be in a drowsy state and suggest, Ruburt, suggest, Joseph; do not attempt to bully or command the subconscious. [...] Your love of nature, Joseph, and Ruburt your love of nature, is another method of dissociation, or can be if you use it as such.

This helper now automatically helps heal Ruburt. Ruburt’s emotional energy is very strong, as you know. [...]

Now Ruburt is literally floating free from his difficulties. [...]

A word about what Ruburt calls his “helper.” [...]

[...] Very positive ones, initially set into motion by Ruburt’s desire to help others, and attempts to do so. [...]

Now I suggested that we move our sessions back here for the reasons given, but also because I knew that to Ruburt this meant an implied greater sense of togetherness on your parts, and of secrecy. Secrecy is a strong element in Ruburt’s personality, and while you recognize this in yourself, you have been very opaque in that you have not earlier seen it in Ruburt.

[...] Ruburt was aware of this on one level. [...] You felt it was depriving you, not only of, say, a private session if Ruburt did not hold the following regular one; you also felt that the sexual activity you were not getting from Ruburt was being channeled instead psychically where you were getting no benefit. [...]

On one level Ruburt grossly misinterpreted your reaction here; since he was susceptible and knew it in his work area, he erroneously supposed you would be. The fact is that Ruburt, working, attracts you sexually, and you working attract Ruburt sexually. [...]

Now when Ruburt senses a strong disruption in these main areas he will act up, and strongly. [...] Both of you intuitively realize that your work, both creative and psychic, is bound up in your relationship, for Ruburt helped to bring out in you the freedom to paint, as you knew ahead of time he would.

By then, however, Ruburt began to fear that he was headed for trouble—that he was too impetuous, headstrong and impulsive. [...] Ruburt finally did put an end to his menstrual cycles a good deal earlier than might have happened otherwise. [...]

You are both apt to say that Ruburt goes to extremes, and several times I used the word myself, and Ruburt never forgot it—but I did not use it with the same implications that it carries for him. [...]

[...] Ruburt is definitely building up a good and dependable sense of trust with the body, and under conditions that were admittedly not of the best. Your own attitude has been excellent—I congratulate you on it, and I congratulate Ruburt on the mental changes of attitude that he is now in the process of setting up.

Your own attitudes, however, have changed more than you realize, and the inner changes in Ruburt’s body will begin to show themselves in exterior improvements in performance. Ruburt knows he stands easier in the bathroom, for example, but did not realize that was significant.

The same applied to Ruburt. [...] To meet with these, Ruburt for example adopted certain beliefs that at various times would be helpful.

1.) I want you to each reread the passages on the point of power in Personal Reality, and to apply it—that truth—to Ruburt’s physical condition. There is nothing in Ruburt’s body that cannot be vastly improved and corrected. [...]

If you can only manage to realize that the point of power is in the present, in all areas, then Ruburt’s condition can dramatically improve in a short time. [...] Ruburt must reinstate a playful attitude mentally and psychically.

[...] Because of Ruburt’s old ideas about femininity, kept beyond their time, he feels more vulnerable than you amid those unsafe conditions, and has put up extra safeguards. [...]

(A one-minute pause at 10:22.) Ruburt chose his environment. Ruburt chose his parents for his own lifetime: he was born in the right place at the right time. [...] Ruburt set out to shoot it down. [...]

Continuation, apropos of Ruburt and the Sinful Self. [...]

Ruburt found great comfort in the church as a young person, for if it created within its members the image of a Sinful Self, it also of course provided a steady system of treatment—a series of rituals that gave the individual some sense of hope the Sinful Self could be redeemed, as in most of Christianity’s framework through adherence to certain segments of Christian dogma. [...]

When Ruburt left the Church, the concept of the Sinful Self was still there, but the methods that earlier served to relieve its pressures were no longer effectively present. [...]

[...] Early, some divisions occurred when Ruburt picked up the idea that womanhood was no help in being a writer, so certain aspects of the self were watched. In later years however, and partially as a result of the relationship between the two of you, and your joint ideas, Ruburt became worried that he would not do his thing as a writer. [...]

[...] Ruburt married an artist first and a male secondly. [...] Ruburt’s feminine characteristics however were tied up in his poetry and in his body, so obviously that you could not forget that womanliness.

(With a smile:) I will be your genial host—and I will however apply myself to a discussion of Ruburt for now. [...]

[...] First, as Ruburt surmised today, he did not earlier understand the statement, “there are no divisions to the self,” on an emotional level, or apply it in that way to himself. [...]

[...] Part of this is personal, but part is also cultural, and shows the one area of cultural beliefs from which Ruburt has not freed himself. At times it has seemed at best Pollyanna, even to you, in the face of Ruburt’s daily situation, and your intimate experience with it, to pretend playfully that it did not exist.

The entire Air Force affair thus far has been beneficial, in that Ruburt sees that his abilities can have great application in physical terms. [...]

As I told you a while back, Ruburt is left with body beliefs. [...]

[...] These are met most immediately in Ruburt’s most intimate contact—body meeting world. [...]

[...] For now I simply want Ruburt to learn to recognize them. [...] They have lasted because their nature was not understood, and Ruburt habitually kept them in consciousness.

[...] In this life Ruburt saw those same characteristics in Father Ryan, where repression was used to keep him in the church. These characteristics were necessary in the situation as given, until Ruburt learned the nature of the self, and could begin to trust it. [...]

[...] They did at one time operate in a perfectionist kind of demand that Ruburt be perfect physically. [...]

We have not discussed the hidden Nebene-like characteristics of Ruburt’s personality. [...]

Ruburt considers it in very poor taste (humorously) to ‘oh’ and ‘ah’ over food. [...] Ruburt simply carries this further than you do, rigidly holding his ground despite all entreaties to the contrary.

[...] Ruburt was in poor shape yesterday. [...]

[...] They were not approved of, and intellectually Ruburt silenced them, before giving them adequate voice or expression.

[...] What Ruburt said about the beloved monster (Willy, our cat) is true.

Your struggles earlier, before you met Ruburt, involved relationships, in that you had no deep ones, allowing yourself to become close to no one. When you fell in love with Ruburt, a part of you was appalled, for it felt it must hold itself ever aloof—and in those days Ruburt’s spontaneous self often met a response from your overly conscientious self, so that you appeared cold to him, and in repelling his spontaneity you were of course frightened to reveal your own.

[...] In a relationship like yours and Ruburt’s this applies in a very intense manner. [...] It should be noted, as Ruburt said, that the poverty angle was largely eradicated—yet you (to me) preserve it in your worries about taxes, for example—for those feelings of resentment still help you continue to feel impoverished and virtuous. [...]

This session you read (the 367th) applied mostly to Ruburt, yet you also have what I will call an overly conscientious self in battle with the spontaneous self (a fact I’m well aware of, and had discussed with Jane before tonight’s session). [...] Why not—since Ruburt was nicely expressing the overly conscientious selves of both of you?

Ruburt’s condition, in a way, stops you from hurting others. If you close the door in the world’s face, it is because Ruburt cannot walk properly. [...]

Some of Ruburt’s notes that you have not seen have further important insights as to such activity. [...] As your own and Ruburt’s notes state, Ruburt’s more clearly, this involves an entirely different relationship of the self you know with time. You can make your own connections here, as per Ruburt’s camera experience, and your own dreams of late.

In your latest series of interworkings, you and Ruburt,¹ with your dreams and so forth, with Ruburt’s notes and your own, were both heading in the proper direction, dealing with issues that are important personally, and that also have a much broader impact.

(9:25.) When the projects were done, particularly with Ruburt, there was still the cultural belief that time should be so used (underlined), that creativity must be directed and disciplined to fall into the proper time slots. [...] This again applies particularly to Ruburt, though you are not exonerated in that regard (with some humor.

[...] Ruburt followed his impulses and interpreted your dreams — all of which led you both into fresh creative activity. [...] True creativity comes from enjoying the moments, which then fulfill themselves, and a part of the creative process is indeed the art of relaxation, the letting go, for that triggers magical activity, and that is what Ruburt must learn.

(Long pause at 9:07.) In many ways Tam and Ruburt got along quite well, even though Tam was a good deal younger, where before Ruburt’s editors had been people a good deal older than he. When the book was done Ruburt began another, along with several different attempts. [...] Ruburt signed for the book but had difficulty with his presentation, and it represented his indecisions, so Tam respectfully at first suggested large alterations. [...]

Ruburt’s subject matter, however, was not routine, particularly back in those times. [...] And Tam, it seemed, kept his hands away from the manuscript itself in the one way that Ruburt clearly understood: he did not generally change the copy. As the years went by Tam and Ruburt arrived at certain methods of operation that suited Ruburt personally, and that were understood by both of them. [...]

(Long pause, eyes closed, leaning back.) Ruburt cannot understand all of the processes that are involved, but the body knows what is to be done, and is working with its own rhythms. [...] By all means let Ruburt continue to express his feelings to you about the situation, however, and reassure him of his body’s competence. [...]

Ruburt himself recognized the book’s deficiencies, and he and Tam together hit upon the idea of switching my book, Seth Speaks, which was not yet contracted for, instead of Dreams. (Long pause.) Ruburt was therefore impressed to the ears with the necessity of getting a book to market, and of the importance of a decent working relationship with an editor, particularly in the uncertainties of even usual free-lancing writing were taken into consideration. [...]

[...] If Ruburt, or should I call him her, Ruburt, Jane-if Ruburt-Jane feels slighted since I address you so much more frequently, it is because your mouth is free to answer.

Because Ruburt deals in words it is easy for me to communicate in this manner. That is, Ruburt automatically translates inner data given by me into coherent, valid and faithful camouflage patterns, into words. [...] The transference of my data is automatic and instantaneous on Ruburt’s part and is performed through the inner workings of the mind, the inner senses and the brain.

I was not trying to reach Ruburt in her sleep. [...] See how prim that last sentence would sound if it were merely written down without the lively, slightly sardonic inflection which I manage to give to Ruburt’s voice?

I will have much to say about Ruburt’s family, whether he likes it or not. I did meet with Ruburt’s grandfather, who said that his favorite granddaughter last time was a good kiddo.

Now, Ruburt’s eyes work much better when I am in control of them. I see each of you now with Ruburt’s eyes closed as you have been in past reincarnations and as you will be. And with Ruburt’s eyes closed there is some difficulty for I must focus psychically in order to find you as you think you are now, for I see all of you. [...] But it is difficult for me, with Ruburt’s eyes closed, for me to see you as you imagine yourself to be at this particular point in space and time. With Ruburt’s eyes open, I can see you as he sees you as a particular personality in this particular space and time and then, you see, I can place you within your own development. [...]

Ruburt has always had a difficulty—if he will forgive me—in integrating the various abilities that are his. [...] We have known each other many times, Ruburt and Joseph and I.

Now, Ruburt and I banter, we banter back and forth and I am a rare one and he is a rare one, but all of this is based on spiritual understanding and on peace, and joy do you have. [...] Do you have any idea of the energy it takes for me to speak to you in terms like this or the degree of manipulation which Ruburt needs and I need? [...]

Now I am coming to you briefly for a very simple reason—to let you know you are indeed welcome here and that you do not bother our friend Ruburt. [...]