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As soon as the attempt is made to duplicate the original thought, then we find that the attempt itself strains and pulls; the impulses change minutely or to a greater degree. The point that I want to make here is that any attempt at such duplication actually forces, because of the nature of the attempt, the impulses to line up in a different pattern. When B receives the thought, it is already a new thought, bearing great resemblance to the original, but it is not the identical thought.

I cannot explain everything at once, and so obviously many questions would remain unanswered until we can get to them. For the original thought, as an identity, to actually be transmitted to a sender, you would have to face the inevitable result: If the identical thought were actually transmitted from A to B, then A would have it no longer. Since A obviously may still have the original thought, then B has not the identical thought; not an exact duplicate, but instead a similar but still unidentical thought.

Practically, your own identities exist electronically, as I have explained, in codified form. At some later occasion, we shall go into seeming duplications, for such duplications are only apparent, of a nature that could be compared to a reflective result. In such cases almost, though not entirely without exception, such a duplicate is projected by an original electronically. We are not quite ready yet for this material. I wanted however to mention the possibility of such occurrences, since such projections have and do happen with some frequency.

The thought originally held by A is still retained by A, yet a seemingly identical thought reaches B. A has lost nothing. That is, in sending the thought, in trying to duplicate the thought, he himself still retains it, so what is passed on to receiver B? This is rather important, since an explanation will do much to account for the frequent difference that occurs in telepathic communications.

[...] Regardless of the origin of any given action, it will never be entirely dissipated. It may pass beyond or through the system in which it originated, but its existence will not cease.

Such a landscape would have to be composed of the actual elements that compose the original landscape. [...] The best he can do is create a distortion of the original landscape—a creation of an approximation that can comfortably exist within the limited perspectives with which he can work, and using the materials that are at his own command.

Mankind is to some intimate degree acquainted with this attempt of action to recreate itself, for human reproduction is here a case in point, each individual attempting to create a replica, the attempt doomed to failure, but the attempt itself resulting in a distortion of the original action; that is, a distortion of the original individuals, and in the creation of a new reality, this process then being repeated indefinitely.

[...] Compare a thought, an original thought, with our original landscape. [...]

[...] You must remember, then, when you think in terms of origins, that the very word, “origin,” is dependent upon time conventions, and a belief in beginnings and endings. [...]

[...] Also, I use time terms, since you are so used yourselves to that kind of categorizing, so here we will certainly run into our first seeming contradiction (see the last session) — when I say that in the higher order of events all universes, including your own, have their original creations occurring now, with all of their pasts and futures built in, and with all of their scales of time winding ever outward, and all of their appearances of space, galaxies and nebulae, and all of their seeming changes, being instantly and originally created in what you think of as this moment.

In a fashion man also is equipped with the ability to initiate actions on a nonphysical level that then become physical and continue to wind in and out of (pause) both realities, entwining dream events with historic ones, in such a fashion that the original nonphysical origins [are] often forgotten. [...]

[...] The original action, however, of such events is unmanifest—not physical. [...]

[...] [The left foot has lost some of its original swelling, and now appears much better by contrast.] I told Jane I thought Seth was correct in the deleted session for June 24, 1981, in which he said the swelling effect helps cushion the new motion of some joints, so there is no grating. [...]

[...] For centuries Christianity served to preserve old frameworks while still allowing for transforming elements and symbolic activities that allowed individuals to assert some independence and originality by moving from one religious symbol, say, to another—still, however, within that larger framework. [...]

(Long pause.) The original ideas connected with the Sinful Self’s beliefs were at one time, for example, not as obviously unfortunate, since the system itself also provided for salvation, methods of appeasement and so forth—all of which were thoroughly accepted through many centuries. [...]

[...] In any case, the original innocent self is bonded to the parents, and to the parents’ beliefs for a time. [...]

[...] The contraction is the return of the dream elements back into the original single object, that is dream object, from which the equation originated, as for example all numbers originate from the number one.

[...] Many individuals feel easier with certain such subconscious aspects, with the result that they may be more aware of dreams that originate in particular subconscious areas, and be relatively unaware of dreams originating in other areas, which they may consider either fearful or at best unfamiliar.

[...] The preliminary discussion of the subconscious layers was necessary, since dreams originate in these various levels, and should therefore be interpreted according to the particular symbolisms inherent in the realm of reality to which they may belong.

We will find in many cases, first of all, dreams originating in that layer of personal subconscious, the most simple being those that have immediate reference to daily conscious life. [...]

[...] The original experience, then, again, is an electric one, and the effects are instantly felt by the human system, according to the original intensity of the charge. [...]

[...] That is, they are actualities apart and independent from their point of subjective origin.

They are brought into existence in a subjective manner, but they then are independent action, and as such may continue to exist in duration within the physical field, according to their original electric potential. [...]

[...] Because thoughts and emotions, as electrical actualities, are independent from their subjective point of origin, a given thought or emotion, initiated by an individual, may be rejected by him and cast out. [...]

[...] In this book, then, we will look at the origin of the universe, the origin of the species, the origin of life from another viewpoint. [...]

[...] My status and origins seem strange only because you have understood so little about your own origins. [...]

It may be said by some that any book at all is an ambitious endeavor, when it originates from a psychological source (underlined) so far divorced from your ordinary ideas of creativity. [...]

[...] When you move inward through the psyche, however, you do begin to thrust, in your terms, “backward” toward the origins of existence. [...]

[...] Physical offspring are originally projections, but these originate new acts despite the original idea behind them. [...]

[...] Action can never be broken down to a prime or original unit, for it automatically builds upon itself, and can never be, therefore, subtracted from. [...]

[...] Action divides itself into various selves, and then explores the moment points of experience, for each new self is indeed a new action, an original act.

Origin. [...] And now I leave you with only one word, and the word is, “origin.”

[...] This is another story fully as destructive as that of original sin, simply put in different terms. [...]

[...] There are also some excellent points in that book and I will at some time, in your terms, begin a discussion or a monologue, on the origin of mankind as you know it. [...]

(Florence remarked on Seth’s speaking the word “origin.” [...]

We have spoken concerning the relative impossibility of first origins as you consider them, occurring at a particular point in your time. Inward, individualized, aware energy existed before the conception of your time, your time obviously being an interpretation of the spacious present, from which all creation not only originally began but continues in terms of value fulfillment. [...]

To those who ask concerning the origin of that inward energy you may say that the inwardness came from itself. [...] There can be no point of origin in time as you conceive it. [...]

[...] However, those who ask concerning the time of the origin of consciousness within your universe, are those who do not understand that the most minute physical particle, the most microscopic, is a materialization of inner, aware energy.

[...] I will here add however not only that the universe you know had no particular origin in your time; and I will add that its roots, if we may so speak, continually go in all directions. [...]

Dictation: Your next question is easy to anticipate, of course, for you will want to know the origin of that “interior” universe from which I have said the exterior one ever emerges — and here we must part company with treasured objectivity, and enter instead a mental domain, in which it is seen that contradictions are not errors; an inner domain large enough to contain contradictions at one level, for at another level they are seen to be no contradictions at all.

(10:17.) The answers to the origins of the universe and of the species lie, I’m afraid, in realms that you have largely ignored — precisely in those domains that you have considered least scientific, and in those that it appeared would yield the least practical results.

You must study the quality of life, dare to follow the patterns of your own thoughts and emotions, and to ride that mobility, for in that mobility there are hints of the origin of the universe and of the psyche. [...]

[...] You may say: “Granted,” yet persist, saying: “In our terms, however, when did the world begin, and in what manner?” Yet the very attempt to place such an origin in time makes almost any answer distorted.

[...] I am telling you that the origin and ability and power and identity has its origins deep within the personality, and that these origins have little to do with the waking self of which you are all so familiar.

[...] They represented originally intuitive insights. [...]

[...] The physical mechanism has chromosomes indeed, but the physical chromosomes have a psychic counterpart, and the psychic counterpart is the original; and within you is the codified information containing all your past lives and all your knowledge, and it is hidden so deep within you that the subconscious as you know it does not realize the truth, for the subconscious as you know it is, indeed, a very shallow affair containing only those hidden memories from this life.

[...] Shall I tell you where your abilities do originate?

[...] Whenever science or religion seeks the origin of the universe, they search for it in the past. [...] It is therefore somewhat futile to look for the origins of the universe by using a time scheme that is in itself, at the very least, highly relative.

[...] (Long pause.) Your consciousness is a part of an infinitely original creative process.

1. Originally Jane said “world” here, where I’m sure Seth wanted her to say “universe.” [...]

[...] Oddly, if you postulate a god in that fashion, a personified one, then you wonder why he couldn’t—or didn’t choose to—maintain the perfection of his original creation. [...]

[...] Now, so strong is this tendency for vitality to change from one apparent form to another, that what you have here in your flying object is something that is actually, as you view it, not of your plane or of [whatever] plane of its origin … The atoms and molecules that structurally compose the UFO, and which are themselves formed by vitality, are more or less aligned according to the pattern of its own territory. [...] Its actual structure is caught in a dilemma of form … between transforming itself completely into earth’s particular camouflage pattern, and retaining its original pattern. [...]

[...] He thinks they have various states of origin. [...]

[...] The flying saucer retains what it can of its original structure and changes what it must. [...]

[...] Your physical universe, then, had a nonphysical origin, in which it is still couched. In the same manner your individual consciousness has an origin in which it is still couched.

[...] The energy and power that keeps you alive, that fuels your thoughts — and also the energy that lights your cities — all have their origins in Framework 2. The same energy that leaps into practical use when you turn on your television sets also allows you to tune into the daily experienced events of your lives.

[...] This appendix is included for those readers who would like a more complete look at individual sessions, and a clearer idea of the way in which the material was originally given.

[...] In another, he presents some new material on the “original planetary system,” and in answer to a friend’s question, he begins an explanation of the perception of a fetus. [...]

The violence that you were both speaking of this evening opened up a chasm within each participator’s soul, through which he glimpsed the dizzying origins that were behind his identity. [...]

There can be, in your terms, some loss of memory—complications that confuse the knowledge of origin. [...]

[...] As she researched Jane’s published and unpublished notes, journals, and books for The Magical Approach, Laurel learned that my wife had originally intended to call this book The Magical Approach: A Jane/Seth Book, and wrote of it as being “a psychic-naturalistic journal.” If Jane had planned to add to Seth’s original sessions, what might she have included? [...]

[...] You may start bringing in different experiences than you think you are seeking, then materialize your original requirements later on. [...]

The dream objects and activities will then be interpreted at other subconscious areas, so that to understand a dream properly we should first discover at which subconscious area it originates. Individuals can be enabled to find this point of origin for themselves, after an attempt is made to recall any given dream or dreams.

A familiarity must be gained by an individual with the general nature of his own dreams first, as Ruburt now has some knowledge or intuition that enables him to distinguish between dreams that originate in areas having to do with past lives, and those which originate in other areas, though he is not yet able to further differentiate.

[...] This area, whichever one it may be, will be the one in which the main dream sequence originates and in which the dream activity occurs.

The basic and originating dream sequence occurred in that area of the subconscious having to do with past lives, and of course expanded into other areas. [...]

[...] That spontaneous order shows itself in time, but it is apart from time, in that its origins (underlined) are not physical. [...]

[...] The usual idea of order is greatly concerned with serial time, but spontaneity’s natural order, with its origins outside of time, has “all time to play with.” [...]

[...] The spontaneous self, of course, represents your closest private touch with the universe, with your origins, and with your relationship to All That Is. [...]

[...] Creativity is still the closest field of endeavor that can possibly teach you about the origin of the species, for your creativity mimics that higher creative spontaneity, out of which all (underlined) order emerges (again intently). [...]

[...] It is, of course, that kind of outside-of-time activity that in your terms explains the origin of your universe. [...]

[...] Master events emerge from that reality of idea, now, from which all ideas originate, uniting these through the use of natural correspondences. [...]

(Long pause at 9:55.) The Christ story in the beginning was not nearly as singular and neat as it might now seem, for the finally established official Christ figure was one settled upon from endless versions of a god-man, with which man’s psyche has long been involved: He was the psychic composite, the official Christ, carrying within his psychological personage echoes of old and new gods alike—a figure barely begun, comma, to be filled out in time, although originating outside of it (again, all very intently).

Such master events cause (underlined) physical events, but they do not emerge originally from them (all repeated as given, and once more very intently.