“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

(Humorously:) I am not done with you yet, but I do not want him (Carl) to feel left out over here, and while you are recovering I will speak to him: for you were also in your own isolated universe, and if hers had fears in it, then yours was a valley of desolation in which your emotions were like unruly animals galloping around in there; and you were so frightened and worried about your own worth that you could not consider hers, and you were so insecure that her sensing insecurity, when you were aware of it, drove you to anger.

Now, I am going to take a break while my friend (Rob) reads back what I have said, and then I will return. There is hope for both of you yet, singly, and/or together. You will have to face yourselves individually no matter what you do, and you will have to do this before you can see each other with any clearness.

She showed you early in the game, in unconscious terms, that she could be a woman with the child. This was to let you know that she was whole and womanly, to settle that question for good. Then you would be free to accept her as a person. When it seemed that you did not do this, she was not willing to make more concessions, for she felt there were no more she could make.

(To Carl:) From your own parents you also have some false premises, having to do with sex. Now. You have been twice as upset over your own fears because you are a man, and think that a man should be free of them. You also find yourself in the position where you believe you should be the entire support of your family, and where you know you have both been taking the easy way out, and you hate yourself for it.

(To Carl:) Now, many of your own personal problems have to do with two main issues. One is your environment, and the other is your physical experience for the last few years in particular—say, since you went to college.

Your father cut out his own world, you felt, in his house and in the wilderness, comparatively speaking, but at the same time because you feared him so you did not really feel he wanted you to do the same no matter what he said—because to prove yourself a better man would automatically destroy him.

The affair with the women represented a deeper betrayal to your wife, since it meant that of all things you not only did not accept her brain, but now her body also. Now you have not come to grips with this deep despondency of your own, and you can do so. It is not nearly as deep or secret as you suppose, and there are some practical methods you can use to minimize its effects while you learn.

In your inner journeys you have traveled as far away from yourself as you could get, not as far inward as you could go. To some extent because of this you distrust your wife when she analyzes emotion or when she says to you why do you feel thus and thus a way. You do not want to know a good deal of the time.

Now a session for you earlier would not have had the impact of this one, or I would have given you such a session. (To both.) Now you know I will not say you should do thus and so, but the inner information I am giving you should be added to your knowledge as you assess the situation.

The child can develop excellent abilities, and if your own relationship becomes a constructive one then he will more than learn from your experience. You both have characteristics that are highly advantageous to him. Reincarnational material I will give you another time. He is of such a nature that I believe he will be quite safe regardless of what you do.

Now. You have had quite a bit for one night, but each of you can creatively use these problems, and turn them to your advantage, and this is a learning process in which you are both involved. It is not always an easy matter of saying no, and I do see both of you handling your situations well. Do not feel hopeless, and do not feel that you are failures. This is a point of time for you that in other ways has already passed, that you will look back upon. You are not caught in the moment. Request information therefore from your inner selves, and release your perceptions so that you clearly perceive the answers that you receive. You do have the abilities to solve these issues. Remind yourselves therefore of that fact, and do not tell yourselves that your situation in any case is a hopeless one.