“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

(Before the session we discussed various recent events and predictions we wanted to cover. They won’t be listed here, but in the session as they arise. A note: Jane called Tam Mossman of Prentice-Hall this afternoon.)

Now. For our friend Ruburt (pause; smile; eyes open), in simple terms now. He should know that the Jane self, the Jane personality, is not divided into highly specialized though effective units, as he has been wondering.

Jane does not call herself Jane as a writer; Ruburt on other occasions; Seth on other occasions, and so forth. There would be nothing wrong in such a framework, providing the various subdivisions worked together well. The Jane personality as a whole in that case would still be integrated, various portions of it simply designated for different kinds of work and ability.

Such an arrangement would indeed allow more freedom and creativity than usual. However this is not the case. There is instead not a working arrangement between various portions of one personality, but a working arrangement among many quite independent personalities. They exist in various dimensions, and all of them have access to knowledge that Jane does not possess.

This is not meant as a slur upon Jane’s own excellent abilities. On Jane’s part this would instead be an extension of her personality into areas far beyond the personality’s own capabilities at her time and in her space.

I am far more than Ruburt’s “best self,” in quotes. The emergence of the Ruburt episode leads me to speak to Jane in these terms so that there will be no misunderstanding.

(Last week in one of her ESP classes, Jane found herself speaking as Ruburt, knowing she was doing so. There was evidently strong telepathic/clairvoyant communication with another student when this occurred, for as Ruburt, Jane, while conscious, described a certain ancient scene set about a campfire; Jane and her student, also female, described the same scene. Jane saw the scene clearly, and among other facts realized that in this ancient time both she and the student were existing as males in that life. Jane has been giving this episode much thought.)

Now. Jane is correct in the idea she received from me this afternoon. Ruburt does not have my knowledge. I will always be your main communicator. The other two personalities (Ruburt and Seth’s entity) have been involved at my request, for purposes having to do with our material and purposes.

Now apropos (Nandor) Fodor’s book (the title will be given at the end of this session), yes, Jane, there is a Seth (emphatic delivery, leaning forward, eyes open), and I was not born a psychic infant from your own personality. Nor was I formed in such a manner. (Relaxed, a smile.)

I am utterly independent of Jane in any terms that have practical meaning in generally held concepts of personality. I did not emerge from Ruburt’s personality nor person in any way. I have lived often in physical existence. But in larger terms, quite unacceptable at present to psychology, all of us are part of the same entity. Do you understand the difference?

Now the same is true of Ruburt. I have always addressed Jane as Ruburt, as you know. Therefore the emergence of Ruburt confused Jane. Quite without knowing, Jane has always been aware of Ruburt’s existence. Now again, Ruburt is not part of Jane’s personality, in your terms, nor did he emerge from it.

Part of the difficulty lies in the use of words. For analogy’s sake, then, consider (underline analogy’s sake), the serial selves that we have sometimes discussed to make issues clearer. I told you once that in those terms I would be considered as Ruburt’s number 6 or 7 self. You had better change Ruburt to Jane in that sentence.

Ruburt then, would be considered Jane’s third self in approximate terms. In the analogy these future selves would dwell in other dimensions, and usually self one, or Jane, would be relatively unaware of their, existence or knowledge. In this case self one is able to make such contacts however.

These selves are each completely independent from the other, making their own decisions as individuals, as in the most precise meaning you can apply to that term. Following our analogy, Jane’s self 2 is in another position where contact is not possible at this time.

Now Ruburt, compared to Jane’s self 3 in these terms, is closer to Jane, so close that Jane has often accepted inspiration and ideas from Ruburt without realizing it. Ruburt is the sum (smile) of the present ... Ruburt ... I want to get this as clear as possible ... Ruburt is the sum of the earthly personalities, intimately aware of all past lives.

He is temperamentally closer to physical existence. (Long pause.) He is very at home with Jane, you see. Since I mentioned self 2, and again remember this is an analogy—self 2 has embarked upon a completely different adventure, in a different direction in another system.

I have always addressed Jane as Ruburt, since this is the last reincarnation physically. You may take your break.

(9:45. Jane left trance quickly. Resume at 10:01.)

(See the 443rd session.) Rather naturally he placed emotional connotations, or superimposed these upon the experience. He will not have such difficulties as he learns. There was obviously no intent to discomfort him, and it was Jane who became alarmed.

Jane should be able to contact Ruburt rather easily. It was because of the conceptual experience in our session that Ruburt emerged in practical terms. Again now, we are all independent with our own futures and pasts, in your terms. We are all however connected...

(As Jane spoke in trance now I had a little experience of my own. This took place while she was speaking, and I continued writing without interruption. Quite naturally, it seemed, I now realized that I was seeing a robed figure standing in a doorway, just beyond Jane’s right shoulder as she faced me seated in her rocker. The figure was perhaps three feet tall, standing facing me but with the light coming from the doorway behind so that the face was in shadow.

(I seemed to have the ability to shift my focus so as to see more of the scene. I became aware that another figure was seated at a table just in front of the robed figure, with its head, also shadowed, turned toward the robed one. While Jane spoke and as I made my notes, I found time to do a little sketch in the margin. The sketch merely recorded the idea of what I had seen, and noted the composition, for I thought it would make a good painting. I saw all this in color: browns, reds and yellows.

(I did not have time to speculate about who I was seeing. In perhaps a minute the experience had passed. Jane was still speaking as Seth. )

In those terms then, in some inconceivable future, Jane will not become me, nor grow into me. I am not the oak that the seed will become. By then, in your terms, I will be far different than I am in your now.

(10:20. Jane again left trance fairly quickly. She said she knew what blocking Seth was referring to; she felt herself “come up” just before break. The material Seth wanted to discuss was about Jane and Ruburt and Jane’s writing. Jane believed it was an extension of the arrangement Seth mentioned briefly on page 124, when he talked about Jane accepting inspiration and ideas from Ruburt without realizing it.

(But now, Jane said, when the topic veered to the most specific activity she is interested in, writing, a thing she regards strictly as her own, she suddenly found she balked at giving “anyone else” any of the credit.

(I also described my vision to Jane during break.

Now. Ruburt’s has been the voice, the inner voice, that often has given Jane inspiration.

Ruburt has always been highly involved with Jane’s writing, imparting intuitive truths, and Jane’s psychic abilities were precisely what made the inspiration possible. You cannot separate creative and psychic ability. When Jane seriously questioned her psychic nature, she was without realizing it questioning also the basis of her own creativity, and this interfered with the writing.

In this life Jane has always been able to utilize psychic abilities very well, without knowing it. The basis of her work then was psychic. Without this the development into what you call mediumship would not have occurred. In Ruburt’s case, you had better put Jane’s case here, the personality was able to mature enough to consciously handle more and more data, to let further developments occur. Otherwise for example I would only have been able to communicate to Jane in her dreams, or through Ruburt.

I am telling Jane therefore that the channel is open for creative inspiration from Ruburt, and the channel is clear. Ruburt can also be counted upon when it is advantageous to interpret my material, though he could not himself originate it.

Now this information should be highly useful to Jane. Ruburt has at times for that matter passed information from me to Jane. Now it is Jane’s (underlined) responsibility as a present physically oriented creature, to use the psychic and creative abilities that she has to their fullest, and as a legacy to help others.

Now. You, Joseph—I will speak to you as Robert. You and Jane are a part of the same entity. You know that you are not Jane. Jane knows that she is not you. In the same way I am not Jane, and Jane is not me. You share some general joint memories with Jane, even before your acquaintanceship and despite the difference in your physical ages. These having to do with national and cultural events, so they are common to you both. This does not mean because you have some general common memories, that you and Jane are one individual.

Yet a psychologist would come to this conclusion if the same statement were made about myself and Jane. Now we as portions of one entity, have certain memories that could be compared to the general cultural ones that you and Jane share, even before you met. These however, that you have, are obviously felt by you both in an entirely different manner, because of your own different viewpoints and so forth.

The same is true of entities and various personalities that are allied with them. Your own creativity, your painting, has always had a psychic basis, and in your case—back to our analogy—self 3 has helped you. Self 2 followed the same path, relatively speaking, as Ruburt’s self 2. You had better substitute Jane there.

(“Why did you say Jane would hear from Harry Edwards again?”

(See page 113 of the 443rd session for October 21, 1968. Seth told us Jane would soon hear from healer Edwards, in England, again soon after she had mailed him her monthly report.)

(Jane’s ESP class has subscribed to a publication of Edwards’s)

(Tam Mossman, editor at Prentice-Hall; they are considering publishing the Seth material. See the 442nd session, page 107, October 14, 1968. Therein Seth stated that Jane would receive “rather unexpected word concerning a book.”

(See also the notes preceding the 443rd session. These deal with an unexpected royalty check for Jane from F. Fell, and I wanted to know if this event was the unexpected word concerning a book. We did not particularly think so. Due to the pressure of other events however Seth never answered my query on this.)

(See page 107 of the 442nd session for October 14, 1968, in which Seth said a considerable improvement can shortly be expected in Jane’s physical condition.)