“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

(Jane achieved partial success with Bill on two attempts. The first try was the best. Bill was unable to open his eyes and developed good amnesia in his left hand, these being the tests Jane used to show him something about the trance state. However he was not able to speak during either session, and came out of the state both times when Jane asked him to answer questions. He did succeed in relaxing very well. This is difficult for him to do; he has ulcers.

(Seth came through briefly shortly before the Gallaghers left, at about 1 AM. He told us he had watched the proceedings with much pleasure and amusement. He explained that Bill had allowed the hypnosis to proceed just so far before his ego called a halt, but that he could progress. Seth said Peggy used rationalization in saying that she stood for Willy’s proximity because she thought Jane touched her instead of the cat. Peggy, Seth said in high good humor, had actually achieved an excellent state of deep hypnosis when Jane used the more authoritative approach; otherwise she wouldn’t have permitted the cat’s presence.

(I was somewhat dubious about Jane’s hypnosis attempts since we haven’t had time to do much work in this direction lately. But Jane said she felt like it, and the Gallaghers insisted that she try. I didn’t think Bill could be easily hypnotized, but he was quite pleased with his results for a first attempt. Both Bill and Peggy said they thought they could have done better had Jane taken more time with her induction, yet Jane’s approach had been quite leisurely; thus time appeared to have been compressed for them.

(Seth had the interesting comment to make that he had looked out at us from Jane’s eyes during the evening, along with Jane, and that he saw us as individuals instead of composite electromagnetic images embodying our pasts, presents, and futures. On two very brief occasions Seth let his voice blast out to some extent, though not at full volume by any means. The hour was late and I was quite aware of possible reactions from neighbors in the house.

(When he first appeared John mentioned that he had attended a meeting for medical salesman in Cleveland OH earlier this month; John is a sales representative for Searle Drug. As soon as he mentioned Cleveland I asked him to say nothing more about it, in the event Seth chose to do so later. Fortunately Jane was out of the room at the moment and did not hear Cleveland mentioned.

(Jane had been very pleased with some humorous poetry she had written today, and had been reading it to John before the session. John’s entity name is Philip. Just as the session began he had been folding a newspaper; as usual Seth wasn’t bashful about asking for quiet.)

When the inverted time system is understood for what it is, then the individual is in contact simultaneously with the experience gained in the so-called past, and is also able to take advantage of events which have not yet occurred within your present. This does not mean that he will be consciously aware of future events, for if you remember these events can be changed by him at any time. He is constantly making his own experience. He is constantly forming the events of the past, even as he forms the events of the present and future.

In many respects the individual is not at the mercy of past events, for he changes them constantly. He is not therefore at the mercy of future events, for he changes these also, not only before but also after their occurrence. I regret that our friend Philip does not have the preliminary background to follow this discussion with clarity.

Now. So-called hunches indeed are often caused by an inner recognition that a given event might occur. As you know, there is no cause and effect as you understand it. Nevertheless there are probabilities. Now basically it is not true to say that an individual’s decisions must be based upon concrete events within his own past, nor that he is largely imprisoned by his past, nor that his future actions are predetermined by his past experience. For as you now understand the past is as real as the future, no more and no less. The past exists as far as the individual is concerned as a pattern of electromagnetic currents within the brain, and these connections constantly change.

(John Bradley didn’t say anything about the 12th Street data, as I hoped he wouldn’t, and Jane didn’t ask him about it. During break we discussed John’s company, Searle Drug, which is in the throes of financial difficulties compounded by management problems; Seth has discussed this often when John has been present, and to date his statements have been accurate.

Priestley was right also to some extent here. These probabilities do occur somewhere, but they will occur to a self that Priestley nor Dunne ever imagined—a self who exists simultaneously with any given individual, and who is a part of him; but a self that he will never know while he is within your particular system.

The psychological composition of the perceiving participator is therefore entirely alien to your own. In such a system however, as in your own, the perceiver is also a participator and a creator, but he does not work with your conception of time, but with probabilities. In your terms then, he would seem to delve into each moment in all of its probabilities, so that in your time on the one hand many centuries would have passed, and on the other hand only an instant.

(Seth said a little on the above ideas when he began to give us the material on the electrical field and on moment points, several months ago. This was some time before Jane began reading Dunne and Priestley.)

(Just before first break Seth had mentioned a 12th St. in connection with John Bradley. Jane now asked John about it, but John said he wouldn’t tell her anything about such a statement yet. Jane said she received this bit of data quite strongly while giving Seth’s other material, and that at first she wasn’t going to give voice to it because she wasn’t sure if it was from Seth or herself. Then she decided to speak it out anyhow.

I get the impression of glass. He is looking at a glass. The glass is the object. (Pause.)

(At first John said Seth’s material meant little or nothing to him. This is just about a standard first reaction from witnesses for whom Seth has given such material; offhand Jane and I can think of no one who has reacted differently. It takes time for memory to begin to work. As usual I read Seth’s data back to John, and as he has in past sessions he then began to make connections. See the 135th, 166th, 190th, 199th, 200th, and 204th sessions for material re. John. A fair amount of the material is telepathic and/or clairvoyant, especially that of the 204th session. Seth expands on this last session in the 205th and 206th sessions, and deals with John’s experience in hearing Seth speak to him when he was alone.

(John attended a salesmen’s meeting, held by his employer, Searle Drug, in Cleveland OH on January 12-14,1966. He stayed at the Sheraton-Hilton Hotel. The president of the company and his top assistants also attended the meeting.

(“12th Street.” John now told us that he took several meals in the Manger Hotel—pronounced with a hard G—and had some business engagements there also. This hotel is on either 12th or 13th St. in Cleveland; John was not positive, but felt the address would be 12th Street rather than 13th Street.

(“in a town that is large and not in this location.” Cleveland is of course some distance from here. As stated Jane did not hear John mention Cleveland to me, although she knew he had been traveling. In any case Seth mentioned no city by name.

(“I think also of a meeting and a fat man.” At the Sheraton-Hilton John had several meetings with Searle’s Washington, DC representative to the government, Mr. McKeown. This man engaged John in conversations designed to feel him out, John said, and did it so cleverly that the meeting in Cleveland was over before he fully realized what had taken place. John is aware that he is being considered for promotion however. Mr. McKeown, John told us, is quite overweight, but is not a truly obese person. John said his own idea of a “fat” man is one who is grossly overweight; this Mr. McKeown is not, even though on the heavy side.

(“8 o’clock.” John said this could refer to a time in the evening when he was supposed to make a telephone call, but he doesn’t consider it very relevant.

(“A stuffy place.” This is most interesting, John said, because of the fact that the Sheraton-Hilton was very stuffy during the three nights he was there. Indeed, John said, it was so stuffy at night particularly that he had trouble sleeping, and was out of bed several times.

(“Three alternate plans.” John said he didn’t see connections here, unless the reference was to his own personal plans. Recently he did have three plans in mind, which Jane and I also knew about, and which Seth had mentioned. These were to leave Searle and buy a restaurant in his hometown of Williamsport, PA; to stay with Searle and in Williamsport; or to demand a transfer of location from Searle, and a promotion. Mr. McKeown is involved with the last of these alternatives, so it is conceivable that “there is a question over the third.” as stated by Seth.

(“And in connection with this a tall thin man, and a discussion concerning money.” John said he accompanied a tall thin man to the Hotel Manger’s dining room, which is located next to the bar and grill. The tall thin man also has a position high up in the company, John said. John could look into the bar and grill of the Manger from where he sat while eating supper. He had a long talk with the company executive, but money was not the specific subject of the conversation.

(John said he could offer little help, still, on the two women mentioned by Seth. He said that one of his friends sees a woman friend whenever he goes to Cleveland, and that perhaps this woman has a companion, or a roommate.

(John was interested in whether Seth could add anything to the long range material he has given concerning Searle Drug over the past year and a half. This material is somewhat long and complicated, and is covered in the sessions John has witnessed: 37, 54, 63, 70, 95, 135, 166, 190, 204. Searle is going through a financial and management crisis, and this is reflected in the stock market; John is naturally concerned. See Volumes 1 through 5.

(Seth’s predictions for Searle include the loss of power for the current vice president, who is the son of the company’s founder, although the son may retain a titular chair. There is to be a drastic reorganization, finally, after all else fails. John, according to Seth, would be wise to remain with the company, for eventually things will work out well. Seth told John he could go as far as he desired in the company. John has been sounded out before by high officials, and was again at this Cleveland meeting.

(As stated earlier, the sounding out was quite subtle as performed by Mr. McKeown and the other official, the tall thin man. They sought to learn John’s views while not committing themselves in any way, so as to save themselves the embarrassmentof being refused. John has since written to Mr. McKeown for further information—this after he realized what was transpiring.

(As John explained company politics to us now, he said he thought he saw a connection with Seth’s mention of an “apartment.” on page 235. It will be remembered that at first John could offer nothing for this data. Mr. McKeown, John said, had gone so far as to invite him up to his private room at the Sheraton-Hilton, for more secluded talks involving the company. At the time John was somewhat surprised that a high company official would pay particular attention to him. It was during such meetings as this, and those at the Manger, that the sounding-out process commenced.

He was sent with a purpose.