“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

Of course I welcome our Jesuit and our cat lover, as always. There are however some points that I would like to clear, and I would also like to add to your instructions concerning our dream experiments—since I know, Joseph, that you can’t wait to begin them.

Now, I would suggest that two main categories in particular be given special notice. These as you know will have to do with primary and secondary reality. And each dream should be scrutinized first of all with these main points in mind. You must look out for pitfalls, and use your critical faculties. Ruburt uses his critical faculties supremely well in scrutinizing my activities and nature, so I have no doubt that he can also apply them to the job at hand.

Incidentally, joking aside, some time in the future it would not be a bad idea, if it ever could be arranged, to take Ruburt’s blood pressure before, during, and after sessions; also his weight.

You could perhaps learn something from such innocent tests as these. You see, theoretically, you could find out how much I weighed, or if I had physical weight indeed, could you not? Or if Ruburt weighed less during sessions, then you would have a dilemma.

A company, with four men and three women. A room with a fireplace, so it would seem that this is not Dr. Instream’s apartment. (Pause.)

It is indeed up to you. Perhaps you would like merely a social discussion of your own, and if so you are welcome to it.

My dear Jesuit friend. Do I not try to explain things clearly, and am I not grossly misunderstood? I have been saying for some time now that I am myself, and that Ruburt is someone else. It follows that our gestures would therefore be different. Would you not say so?

([Bill:] “I don’t know. I’ve been wondering whether I would think so.”

I’m glad to see you have had a good think session. Now. If you are thinking in terms of secondary personalities, you can prove nothing one way or another. A secondary personality could indeed use gestures that are different (with humor). Either way, this would be no proof as to my independent nature. I am glad to see that it has been bothering you.

([Bill:] “I was curious as to what you would say.”)

Now and then with Ruburt, to a smaller or lesser degree, my own habits therefore show through, for I manipulate his muscles in a different way than he does. But, scientifically again, this would not be proof of my existence as an independent personality who has survived physical death. Not that this concerns me, for it does not.

([Peg:] “You’ve said in the past that we would notice changes in Ruburt’s features.”)

What we need you see are various elements that usually combine spontaneously, but that can be caused to combine when they would not usually combine. This I can usually take care of fairly well. However, I have freedoms that Ruburt does not have, and I am freer to use my abilities than he is.

The conditions are not physical conditions. These would be the simplest. The conditions have to do with the amount which Ruburt is willing to allow me to have of the physical matter of which he is composed, and of which he is naturally jealous.

([Peg:] “Why would this cause him concern?”)

It would be difficult for me to change the features of a third individual indeed, but far less difficult to change Ruburt’s features, since he gives me permission to work through him, and his mental and psychic abilities would help me. A picture would not help me on its own.