“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

Now, I would suggest that two main categories in particular be given special notice. These as you know will have to do with primary and secondary reality. And each dream should be scrutinized first of all with these main points in mind. You must look out for pitfalls, and use your critical faculties. Ruburt uses his critical faculties supremely well in scrutinizing my activities and nature, so I have no doubt that he can also apply them to the job at hand.

Now there are several kinds of time, that will appear within your dreams, and you must sort these out carefully. While sleeping in your present time, you may have a dream that concerns your personal past, while the dream is concerned with events that you know to have occurred many years ago. Nevertheless you may experience these events as happening within the present.

Now I will give you a short break, and again my welcome to our friends, and I do not mean to ignore them. We shall indeed have you, Joseph and Ruburt, working in your sleep, as Ruburt earlier remarked, and you shall be glad of it. For the dream will not be captured in a laboratory by scientists who will not look into their own dreams.

Now. I will continue. Man will not learn the basic nature of reality by studying the physical universe alone, nor will he learn it by studying the personality as it operates within the physical universe alone.

Now there are indeed connections between these two conditions. And there are definite realities that exist in both states, and these uniting realities will be what you are looking for. For only by finding these can you discover the nature of the human personality and the nature of reality within which it must operate.

We have also spoken of the dream as a drama, and you must discover the various levels upon which these dramas take place. It will not be as difficult when you are under way as it may seem to you now.

(Seth broke off his material to introduce this bit of humor because Bill, sitting perhaps five feet away, was leaning forward and staring intently at Jane as she spoke. Smiling, her eyes still closed, Jane now shifted her chair so that she did face Bill squarely.

(Since Seth paused after giving voice to the question, I answered, since I had been writing at a fast pace. I soon saw that I shouldn’t have however, since Jane now turned the same humorous expression toward me that had confronted Bill a few minutes ago.)

(Our session was being held in our front room. Up until now none of us had noticed the traffic noise past the front of the house; but now that a test was to come I became conscious of it. Later Jane, Bill and Peggy concurred.

(This is the 20th Dr. Instream test. As usual Jane now began to speak at a much slower pace. She sat with her head down, a hand raised to her closed eyes. Resume at 9:58.)

Now, give us a moment. (Long pause.)

Around the clock the gilt shape comes down in this fashion. We are now forming the base. The base of the clock itself is ornate with small pink flowers or figures upon it, and I believe a green felt beneath the base.

(Jane and Bill now made their drawings of the clock, without seeing each other’s or mine, and my copies of all three are below. It’s apparent the three of us agreed pretty closely on what we saw. Note that only Jane points up the uneven gilt surface in her version.)

Now that our Instream material has been taken care of, we can do whatever you like, within reason of course. We can end our session, I can continue with the material that I have been giving you, or I will be glad to answer questions.

My dear Jesuit friend. Do I not try to explain things clearly, and am I not grossly misunderstood? I have been saying for some time now that I am myself, and that Ruburt is someone else. It follows that our gestures would therefore be different. Would you not say so?

(The pace was now even faster, and occasionally I omitted a word in the notes to keep up; this did not alter any meanings. Seth was most amused and pleased at the exchange. Jane sat with her eyes still closed; her movements and facial expressions were active.)

I’m glad to see you have had a good think session. Now. If you are thinking in terms of secondary personalities, you can prove nothing one way or another. A secondary personality could indeed use gestures that are different (with humor). Either way, this would be no proof as to my independent nature. I am glad to see that it has been bothering you.

When I am allowed to manifest myself again to some degree physically now, then I manipulate physical matter in my own characteristic fashion.

Now and then with Ruburt, to a smaller or lesser degree, my own habits therefore show through, for I manipulate his muscles in a different way than he does. But, scientifically again, this would not be proof of my existence as an independent personality who has survived physical death. Not that this concerns me, for it does not.

(Seth/Jane now turned toward Peggy, who had been sitting quietly by. Jane’s eyes were still closed, although she was smiling. It will be remembered that Seth has strong subconscious abilities.)

([Peg:] “How are conditions now?”)

Now we are speaking of something aside from Ruburt’s features. When he is off guard, as he was when Philip was present, then we can achieve very much.