“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

(John at present is a salesman for Searle Drug. He lives in Williamsport, PA, but has witnessed several sessions. At the date of the 166th session he knew of no drug or pharmaceutical firms in Minneapolis. Visiting us this noon while making his rounds, John told us he had checked up on Seth. He gave us the names and addresses of two drug houses that he learned about in Minneapolis. He had not heard of them, and they are both small companies.

The second dream is an excellent example of a therapeutic dream that results from self-suggestion. Ruburt requested a therapeutic dream from his inner self, and he received one.

I am happy to see that Ruburt tried out the material that I gave on the matter, and that he put it to the test. We will go rather deeply into this dream. However first we shall speak about the first dream, for they are indeed connected.

Indeed, Ruburt is correct in one respect at least, for the first dream, concerning the voices, was meant to be a therapeutic dream. However his own doubts changed the action within the dream, and he reacted to his doubts and ignored the earlier portion of the dream entirely.

The basic action of the first dream involved his reception, his clear perception, of several voices within his head. The voices, though he does not consciously recall their message, the voices spoke words of encouragement. They presented excellent evidence of his own abilities, for they were crystal clear and distinct, and without distortions.

Here however there is a drastic change, for the above portions of the experience were indeed no dream, but real experience, occurring while he was in a dissociated state.

The experience however shocked him, hence the shock later on when he turns this into a dream. The experience was to have been remembered however as a dream. He was not to have recalled its true nature, and it was hoped that he would elaborate the experience into a dream which would be composed of the constructive elements which the experience had given him.

Instead the experience frightened him, although only momentarily, for upon immediately awakening his mood was one of joy, and the earlier fear was forgotten. When he heard the voices, rather than becoming confident, he began to rise up to more shallow layers, and the ego ruled the dream sequence that followed.

He would not accept the responsibility that he felt such ability would put upon him, and so he looked for an outside source of the voices, and dreamed the sequence in which the voices came from a radio, and not his head. In the dream he switches the radio off, hoping to still the voices. They continue because he knows that he is picking them up from a channel that is not physical.

But he tries again, and in the dream he discovers another radio on your bookcase, Joseph , where our material is kept. The connection is obvious, for he knows that the Seth material comes from the same system as the voices. Here he reaches out to turn the radio off, and is stopped by a severe and sudden shock. The shock is his knowledge that our material would cease were he to shut off his abilities in such a manner. So the shock, which is one of realization, prevents him.

The connection with yourself is also obvious, since this happens in your room in the dream, for were he to shut off his abilities, you see, as one can turn off a radio, then you would be deprived as well as himself.

In the dream he then goes into his own room, and this is the part of the dream that he has consciously forgotten, and covers it in his notes merely by saying “unclear here,” and a vague reference to an electric storm.

In the dream itself, he goes into his room and discovers that his ability is as much a part of him as his breath, and that he cannot turn it off and on at will, or turn it off as one would a radio. He stands in the room, and there is an electric storm in the dream, and the room is touched by vibrating currents. He is afraid. Nevertheless he realizes that he is part of the storm, and the storm is part of himself, and it is not destructive but creative; and most of all, a simple elemental part of reality as it is.

(Jane laughed with me at first, then asked me to stop, saying that my data might confuse her. At the same time I felt touches of my familiar thrilling sensation that I have often felt during psy-time, or when I see a vision; this gave me the feeling that I might be half right about what I had said; Seth however said nothing about it. Perhaps he will mention it next session.

If possible he should emotionally think of us. He is thinking of us on an intellectual level now. Concentrating, but trying too hard intellectually. (Pause at 10:12.)

If he were to call me an old faker, I should get him more quickly. I get the number 4, but do not know to what this refers.

His hypnosis experiments are not doing as well as he hoped, as far as other parties are concerned. They have to do with direct stimuli, applied through hypnosis at a distance; and there is a connection in his mind with myself here, and those experiments.

He will have success with part of the experiment, having to do with an S. What he plans is entirely feasible however, and quite possible. There is a personality quirk, so to speak, that may snag him here, and the word snag has more than one meaning.

He wants a cigarette as this moment (pause at 10:25), though this is far from unusual.

(Neither of us understood the reference to an automobile, particularly. During break I mentioned that I hoped Seth would take a few minutes to verify our interpretations of his data, or to correct us, before he closed the session.

It had to do with the fact that in his dream, the second radio was in your room, and he received a shock when he tried to turn it off.

You interpreted this to mean that you had pushed him, perhaps, that perhaps were it not for you he would not have become as deeply involved as he is, in this endeavor.

The sneezing was a panic reaction. Naturally you do not want to hurt Ruburt in any way, and you felt somewhat responsible because in his dream he could not turn off the radio which represented his abilities.