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ECS4 ESP Class Session, July 13, 1971 20/67 (30%) Ron proofs cards Tom suburbanite
– The Early Class Sessions: Book 4 Sessions 5/25/71 to 1/25/72
– © 2010 Laurel Davies-Butts
– ESP Class Session, July 13, 1971 Tuesday

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([Ron Labadee:] “I wanted to throw something out. Several sessions ago we got into a conversation about the nature of the way you perceive this reality although we didn’t get into your own particular...”)

[... 1 paragraph ...]

([Ron:] “And you were saying that if you wanted that you could perceive it just as clearly in the same terms that we ourselves perceive it.”)

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([Ron:] “Well, what I was wondering is...”)

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([Ron:] “Well, let’s see how yours is. I would like to suggest an experiment and I am suggesting it to you to see your reaction, like I couldn’t. I was really undecided whether to suggest it to Jane or to you, but you see like I’m kind of at an impasse because, like, there are a lot of words and a lot of concepts and philosophies bandied about, but when you make a claim you know such as that in as specific and nonconfusable terms such as that it would be very simple to demonstrate, and what I was wondering is, either now or at some time when Jane would agree to it, for instance, I brought some playing cards with me, ten cards...”)

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([Ron:] “Well you give me the impression though, I mean, like that’s an easy way out.”)

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([Ron:] “Well, I would disagree very much with that. If you are able to do what you know even to a limited extent what you claim that you are able to do, I would be completely dumbfounded. However, I don’t think...”)

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([Ron:] “You could be equivocating.”)

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([Ron:] “We never read the results though.”)

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([Ron:] “To a certain extent, you know, you can always— you can bring my motivations into question, but I have like one overriding feeling and that is—I feel that within my own experience I have seen certain indications just from the things that I might be capable of that I could do this myself if, if when and if, because I have entertained the challenge of developing this ability but I in this situation here, I am confronted with kind of a different type of ramifications. What I am saying is, within this, within this context for me and for persons who would like to contribute to a communally verifiable and acceptable body of knowledge there are certain precise ways in which you could go about...”)

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([Ron:] “Yes, but would you consider Instream’s experiments a circus trick? And incidentally, the way he set up that experiment was atrocious for a man with scientific training.”)

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([Ron:] “With my own training in psychology, I could set up a controlled airtight experiment. In other words, if you had made kind of a nebulous statement about the nature of your perceptivity, if you had said something...”)

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([Ron:] “Obviously, no one can make decisions for me.”)

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([Ron:] “Yes, exactly which is why I said it would have to be something, it could be something that could be arranged.”)

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([Ron:] “Why aren’t you interested?”)

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([Ron:] “Did he really attain it?”)

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([Ron:] “Yes it is my own, but...”)

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([Ron:] “So the answer in essence is that you yourself would not be interested in this because you don’t consider it relevant even though...”)

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([Ron:] “Even though for myself, you know, for my own personal point of view it would be something that would be very relevant and particularly in terms of the way I relate into this situation.”)

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([Ron:] “That’s what I say—it could be something that—but I won’t bring it up now because I wanted to hear your opinion of it.”)

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([Ron:] “Well, I don’t know. I kind of doubt it, but as for looking inward, you know that there has to be a balance between the inwardness and outwardness.”

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