“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

(“I pick up a very distant connection with Wisconsin, which I do not understand”, puzzled Jane, since she had no idea of what this could mean. I thought it might be a reference to the fact that my brother Loren, who wrote the test letter, is a model railroad fan. The magazine Model Railroader was, I thought, published in Wisconsin. There is a strong connection here because Loren has contributed articles and photographs to this magazine for many years. A trip to the newsstand to check verified my idea; Model Railroader has editorial offices in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Jane was especially pleased at this because she knows nothing of the hobby, or the magazine or its address. It took me two days after the session to come up with the connection with Wisconsin myself.

(See the copy on page 197. For the test object I used a letter from my brother Loren, who lives in Tunkhannock, PA. It is typewritten in black ink on paper the weight of this page, and white. It was folded once between two pieces of Bristol, then sealed in the usual double envelope. My brother inadvertently dated the letter 1965 instead of 1966.

(I was three years old when my parents made the month-long drive to California, and my brother Loren was two. I have a few vivid conscious memories of the trip. I grew up listening to my parents talk about the trip. When I was drafted during the second World War I was given aptitude tests; to my surprise I did well on mechanical subjects, and ended up as an airplane mechanic and instrument specialist in the Air Transport Command.)

(“The habit of squirreling away” is a good reference to my father, in whose photographic studio my brother Loren took the pictures he refers to in the test letter. The studio is in part of my father’s cellar; the rest of the cellar is stuffed and cluttered with odds and ends my father has accumulated over the years. The rest of the family views the overloaded cellar as a fire hazard.

[...] Your dream about Loren did involve a probability. [...]

[...] My younger brother, Loren, is 56.)

[...] Your present father secretly admires Loren’s apparent easy sociability, not knowing that Loren is forced to laugh and shout loudly, just as your father is more or less forced by his own personality to sit silent and sullen.

(“Can you tell us something about my brother Loren?”

[...] As a matter of fact, at that same time your brother Loren was looking out of your father’s shop, and he saw nothing.

[...] As stated Jane and I visited my parents at their home last Sunday, April 3, and while there met my brother Loren, his wife Betts, and their son Douglas, who is 14. [...] Loren does not teach music anymore. [...]

[...] Doug’s parents, Loren and Betts, have strong musical interests. [...] Neither Loren or Betts own any instruments except for a piano, which they both major in. [...]

[...] We don’t remember Loren referring to any double exposures in a literal sense.

[...] As stated the object is related to transparencies, in that Doug’s father Loren brought his camera and transparencies with him. [...]

[...] My mother, who now lives with Dick and his wife and family, made the trip back with Jane and me as far as the parking lot at Enfield Glen, Ithaca, where we met my other brother, Loren. Mother was transferred to Loren’s car during an interlude in a driving rainstorm. She is to spend a couple of weeks with Loren and his wife Betts before returning to Rochester.

[...] Of course I left the job at Artistic last February, but didn’t tell Loren and Betts this officially until phone conversations after the June flood. [...]

First of all, because you are the eldest, and because of your father’s position, because you were making good money as a young man, Loren braced himself against your situation at that time. [...]

As in many cases an old man will appear womanish, so a personality reincarnated steadily as a male will develop strong and overlycompensated-for female characteristics, as is the case with Loren in this existence. [...] The personality of Loren, you see, is basically female despite the fact that he has never had a female reincarnation. [...]

[...] This is far afield from Loren, and yet it is not. [...] Loren must have a female reincarnation, even to give validity to his masculinity.

[...] Incidentally, if I may make a side note in response to a question you voiced, Joseph, during break: Loren was three times a man.

(Talking about distortions during last break, I had been reminded that many sessions ago Jane-Seth had stated first that [my brother] Loren had been three times a woman, then three times a man in a following session. [...]

It is difficult for me to tell you too much about Loren. [...] I’m well aware there is no blood relation between Loren and Jane. [...]

Now Loren was a priest in the Roman Catholic church. [...]

He and your other brother who died at 9 were in Europe for at least part of the same time, though Loren died at a fat and sassy monkish 81. [...]

Loren was 3 times a man. [...]

(Thinking the session now over, I then brought up the thought that I suspected a distortion in Seth’s interpretation of the first dream, where he stated that before being born I saw my brother Loren as a woman. I thought I recalled Seth stating many sessions ago that Loren had been three times a man, but never a woman, and had a woman’s life ahead of him.

[...] The woman was your brother Loren as he appeared before. [...]

But though you met both the present Dick and Loren, neither of you knew what your relationship would be in this life. [...]

The man you know as Loren has never been born as a woman yet on the physical plane. [...]

(“I believe your brother Loren is one present. [...] Ruth Gridley, listed on page 3 of the object as one of the Art Shop’s new management, is my first cousin; Loren of course is my brother. But we still think the Loren data is separate in the main from the envelope data.

I believe your brother Loren is one present. [...]

[...] Seth gets around to answering the question, but first inserts the material concerning my brother Loren: “Now, we will try something here. [...]

[...] Seth spoke to the Wilburs and me about the implications behind the death of the young robin, among other things, and verified that the Loren data in the envelope experiment was also intended to use the relative idea to tie it to the envelope object and my cousin Ruth.

[...] We’d been visited today by Loren, Betts and Doug, and Dick, Ida and David, and at times my left groin area had bothered me considerably. [...] I thought of a hernia—and Loren had been operated on for a hernia this summer—yet I suspected the unease was basically mental. [...]

Think of the slides shown today (by Loren) of postcard Tunkhannock, Pennsylvania, USA, home of conventional, American, Protestant values. [...]

[...] In those terms (underlined) it is for Loren a step up from, say, Sayre, whose history is richer even in “lower class” origins. [...]

[...] I told her that Orlene Gladston had called me from California this morning, to wish us a Merry Christmas and ask about Jane’s condition, and that my brother Loren, who at 63 is a year younger than I am, had called yesterday for the same reason. [...]

[...] When Marty brought it over I discovered it was from Betts and Loren—my brother and his wife. [...]

Your brother Richard, and Loren also, are undergoing necessary experience as males. Loren in particular, in spite of past male lives, is strongly feminine, and your sister-in-law is undergoing her first female incarnation.

(At the time of this session Mother is visiting my brother Loren in Tunkhannock, Pennsylvania for a couple of weeks, and cannot visit Father in the county home at Burlington, Pennsylvania.)

[...] This is why you trust the male qualities in Ruburt; why Richard chose a family in which he married where the males have been dominant, and why Loren chose for a wife a woman with more vitality than he.

(Loren and Betts visited me from about 10:30 AM until 11:45. [...]

[...] I’d spent considerable time on the Cardwell letter, had been interrupted by the visit of Betts and Loren, and so forth. [...]

(This morning, in between calls from my brother Loren and his wife, and Mrs. Austin’s son about delivering the laundry, I worked on the first draft of a letter to Maude Cardwell at Reality Change in Austin, Texas. [...]

[...] I hope to type it tomorrow, before Loren and Betts arrive at about 11:00 AM. [...]

(My brother Loren and his wife Betts, and brother Dick and wife Ida have just left, after a very pleasant visit. Betts and Loren brought the meal—half of which I supposed we weren’t allowed to eat, I told Jane. [...]

Loren and Dick also chose the situation. [...]

[...] Loren and Dick are my young brothers.)

Loren. [...]

(“My present brother Loren was traveling? [...]

The constant line of chatter developed by your one brother (Loren, a year younger than I am) was of course a defense to close out the constant telepathic storm. [...]

[...] I shared this room with my brother Loren. [...]

[...] Perhaps an A.K. The mother will to some extent find release, staying I believe near Betts and Loren, or very strongly connected to them. [...] Betts and Loren must help others, for they cannot find peace within themselves otherwise.

Your brother (Loren) represents strong beliefs that you had and identified with, that could have been very limiting. [...]