“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

(Carl, being big and strong, could hold the table as he did, with but one hand, the arm extended straight out, for some little time. At the same time we requested levitation. Abruptly the table, still in Carl’s grasp, vaulted up toward the ceiling of our living room, very rapidly, until it was upside down to the floor and beyond our reach, except for Carl, who still held on. Carl said he had not consciously made the maneuver, and he appeared as surprised as we were. Later he told us he was afraid the table would either crash into the ceiling—since Carl was tall enough—or would hit a nearby wall where several of my paintings hung.

(The table was active until after 1 AM. One other distinctive movement involved a seeming vault into the air while Carl held the table at arms length. This tipped the top vertically to the floor, and the other three present touched the top lightly. At first the table seemed to move Carl around in circles, continually being ahead of him, in that it ended up by twisting Carl’s arm awkwardly behind him; this made it very difficult for Claire, Jane and me to keep contact with the top. At the same time Carl insisted that he was not deliberately twisting the table this way around himself. The twisting was rapid.

(Carl had a brainstorm; we placed our bathroom scale on the tabletop finally when the pressure was “going good,” and requested A A to continue building up the pressure so that Carl, who was on the side of the table manifesting the pressure at that time, could measure the force he used to get the table back on the floor solidly. A A obligingly built up the pressure again; pressing down, Carl saw that he used a hand pressure of 70 pounds, as measured by the scale, to get all three legs of the table back on the floor, whereas usually gravity would effortlessly draw the legs back to the floor when our fingertips were removed.

(I repaired the broken legs with nails and glue, to insure a strong job; before, the legs had been merely dowel-fastened. This Wednesday evening the table performed as follows: Irish jigs upon request, vaulting up into the air while in Carl’s grip, chasing around our backs as Carl held it while we tried to keep up with it, skittering across the rug, knocking back and forth, and building up a very strong pressure indeed, when we tried to force the leg up in the air back down to the floor, or rug.

[...] (To Carl:) Open your eyes. Within yourself you will find more than despair, Carl. [...]

(Session for Sue and Carl Watkins; April 25, 1971, 10:45 PM.

(Humorously:) I am not done with you yet, but I do not want him (Carl) to feel left out over here, and while you are recovering I will speak to him: for you were also in your own isolated universe, and if hers had fears in it, then yours was a valley of desolation in which your emotions were like unruly animals galloping around in there; and you were so frightened and worried about your own worth that you could not consider hers, and you were so insecure that her sensing insecurity, when you were aware of it, drove you to anger.

(To Carl:) Now this was a poor-enough bargain for her to make, but for you to add to it in her mind, to demand that she prove this womanhood daily with the dishes or the housework or whatever, was too much for her to bear, and she felt doubly betrayed by you and by herself.

(This session was witnessed by Carl Watkins, of Odessa, New York. Carl studied math for two years in college; reading the first session, he said that the ideas presented by Jane in trance made sense to him; he cited some examples to us and worked out some figures, especially concerning quadrants, and drew some diagrams. This proved interesting to us and we understood it while Carl was speaking; later however because of our lack of background in math we found it difficult to recall what Carl had said.

(A curiosity: Carl Watkins said he felt there was a definite mass change in Jane when she was speaking as Seth. When she rocked back and forth as Seth, Carl said, the floor beneath the rocker creaked. [...] Carl said he carefully watched to make sure the chair had not been moved. [...] Carl weighs 188. [...]

(She now drew for Carl and me the illustration at the left.“This is the apple with a stem,” she said, “that the personality was trying to get across.” [...]

[...] (To Carl.)

[...] It was Carl Jones. [...] Carl was on his way to a destination near Niagara Falls, New York, for the Thanksgiving holidays.)

And good evening to our friend here, and I will take due note that you (Carl) are smiling this evening. Now: We are going to resume dictation on our book, so (humorously to Carl) you can see an author at work — an authentic ghost writer if you prefer.

[...] After an average-length break an unrecorded interval of material followed, with Seth mainly answering questions for Carl. [...]

[...] During it Carl left, to continue his holiday journey westward…. [...]

(Very late in the evening, Carl Watkins woke me to express concern because of the length of the session tonight—at perhaps 1 AM or later. [...] Carl & others were concerned that Jane couldn’t exert enough control to come out herself.

[...] [On July 16 Carl & Sue Watkins bought the oils of Charlie Painter, the dream hands, & Moses.]

(When Claire, Pat, Curt, Danny, Carl, Jane and I were left, Seth returned briefly after Carl and I had been discussing reincarnation to some extent. [...]

[...] This is for our Carl. [...]

(Carl and Sue Watkins, both members of Jane’s ESP class, were witnesses to the session. [...]

(During break we also discussed some topics Sue and Carl were interested in, expecting that Seth would discuss these after break. [...]

(“I find myself in a room with Carl and Jane, as Jane. [...]

(That same night Carl also had a dream involving a large white house, but upon awakening could not recall it clearly.

Suddenly I am yanked away from this scene, and Carl [Sue’s husband] and I are sitting in a large room with Jane as Seth. Seth turns to Carl and gives him a long lecture. Carl smiles at him, and Seth says, ‘Now at the count of three, you will go into a deeper trance.’ Carl begins to do so. [...]

[...] And you [Rob], incidentally, have helped a probable Carl [Sue’s husband] in the same manner, using his creative abilities. The probable Carl, in other words, has strong creative abilities, and you have helped him understand this.

[...] I suddenly say to them, ‘My name is Sue Watkins, and my husband’s name is Carl.’ They give me a rather nasty ‘so-what’ look.

[...] I see Carl next to me, and I relax, fall asleep and wake up in my physical bed.

(Student Bill Herriman is a professional pilot who flies a considerable distance to Elmira for class; his counterpart in class, Carl Jones, lives in Elmira each summer while giving instructions in sailplane flying, the third member of the counterpart trio, Bill Granger, is not a member of class, lives in Elmira, has always had a deep interest in aircraft, and is now learning to pilot sailplanes. Carl Jones knows Bill Herriman and Bill Granger well — but Bill Herriman and Bill Granger have never met; all three are obviously males; all bear a general physical resemblance; all fall within a certain rather broad age bracket. [...]

Carl nods. At once I realize that somewhere — I don’t understand where — Carl does not own a cycle and that the two of us are man and wife, and have a baby. It is as though I am remembering physical life as a dream, and yet I have the feeling that Carl and I have done this cycle bit before, that we are doing it still in another place and that we will do it even as we are doing it now. [...]

[...] I consider projecting but decide not to ruin the bike experience for Carl who would dearly love to own a motorcycle, even if he is only a dream Carl of mine.

I meet Carl [her real husband] in an underground tunnel complex near Fredonia. [...]

(Carl and Sue Watkins witnessed the session. [...]

[...] A generation that hates war (Jane looked at Carl) will not bring peace. [...]

[...] Break came, to the laughter of Sue and Carl. [...]

[...] I wish my friends over here a hearty good evening; and when you both travel next (Seth has been helping Carl and Sue with astral travel), I hope you bring your memories along with you — and (to me) you too.

(This session was witnessed by Carl and Sue Watkins and their infant son Sean. Carl and Sue are members of Jane’s ESP class.)

He said that he was here to take Carl and me on our second trip. [...] I turned and looked at Carl’s sleeping body. [...]

[...] The following experience was Carl Watkins’ first projection, January 6, 1969.

[...] Right then, Sue Mullin [later Carl’s wife] now appeared, out of thin air. [...]

From the sleep state I project to Carl’s and shout at him until his astral body sits up. [...]

(Seth spoke briefly and spontaneously once during the holiday break, with Sue Mullin and Carl Watkins as witnesses. He spoke to Carl about a game involving mathematics and drama that would make millions for Carl, should he succeed in working it out. [...]

1. Volume 2 of “Unknown” Reality contains a number of references to Carl Jung, the Swiss psychologist and psychiatrist who lived from 1875–1961.

[...] Here Seth stared at Carl and said, “If your generation or any generation effects a change, this is the only way it will be done. [...] It is up to you [nodding at Sue and Carl] as to whether or not you will listen.

[...] Carl and Sue are both in their early twenties. [...]

(Early this month Jane and I bought an anthology containing a long section by Carl Jung, the Swiss psychoanalyst who died in 1961. [...]

[...] Another is my own longtime interest in the American psychologist and philosopher, William James [1842–1910]; he wrote the classic The Varieties of Religious Experience.³ A third is a letter received last week from a Jungian psychologist who had been inspired by Seth’s material on the Swiss psychologist and psychiatrist, Carl Jung [1875–1961], in Chapter 13 of Seth Speaks. [...]

[...] No sooner had Jane finished with the lengthy James material than she promptly began to get impressions from “Carl Jung.” [...]

[...] Nothing has been forthcoming on any additional material concerning Carl Jung, however — nor has Jane tried for this.

[...] Carl Jones⁹ and Bill Herriman and Bill Granger are counterparts. [...]

9. Carl Jones is mentioned in the 561st session for Chapter 14 of Seth Speaks.

[...] One was a painting purchased by Carl and Sue Watkins (which, half jokingly, we had called Moses); one, the portrait of me (pause); and one that you have not completed — that the Dean (Seth’s friendly title for Tom M., one of the members of ESP class) asked about recently, of a woman. [...]