“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

It would not do in any case for you to purchase land that is closed in. This would not work out for either of you. It would bother you Joseph, as well as Ruburt. [...]

For reasons too complicated to go into, a larger amount would not be paid off until much later, because the fears that you would have would prevent full utilization of your energies. [...]

I would strongly suggest a garden, in which both of you work. [...] You will find that a very small pond arrangement, of the artificial purchased sort, a basin arrangement where water drips through rocks, behind the glass windows in the rear, here with a very simple grouping of rocks and flowers, would serve you to great benefit: as a place of inner contemplation, in which the inner senses would greatly expand their reach.

[...] The intimacy with nature that you would enjoy there would pay off in ways that you do not know.

A new position would save face both for you and for them. [...] The effects would be beneficial. [...] They might very well surprise you with such a position, a new one, but it would not be entirely what you had in mind; as comprehensive.

[...] In a large manner, you hide it from your wife for fear she would consider you less manly or less in charge, and would therefore feel less secure and threatened herself.

You have taken it, subconsciously now, as a personal failure that you are not farther ahead, not only financially but in terms of the amount of power you would like to hold. You would like to kick out, but you feel you have lost your footing, hence the symptoms in the feet. [...]

You had not wanted such a dog until you had room and a larger place, and in the past you had not gotten the dog because subconsciously you hoped you would have more land within a brief, foreseeable future. When you bought the dog, and particularly since your wife was so for the idea, you feared that she also took this as a sign that you had made your mind up to the fact, or faced the fact, that you would be where you are for some time.

He would, believe it or not, have ended up with a higher title within five years, though not of director, and it would have so soothed his inner ego that it would have settled for this. But his inner drives would never have let him settle. However, I wanted him to make the adjustments necessary to maintain balance and outward cordiality with the director, to aid his own understanding, and so that his resignation, which I hopefully foresaw, would be relatively painless.

[...] Jane and I had been talking about trying to check out some of this material, since presumably records concerning Frank Watts would exist locally; and possibly people who knew him, other than Miss Callahan, and a co-worker of Jane’s at the gallery when the sessions began, Mrs. Borst, might be found who would help us verify any data Seth gave. [...]

(Just before the session was due, Jane remarked that she hoped Seth would discuss the Frank Watts material, thus saving me the trouble of asking the question during the session. She had no idea beforehand of the material the session would cover. [...]

[...] However if he did not have such an outlet, and if you did not have such an outlet in your own work, then indeed we would have had much more trouble, because this layer of personal subconscious would then be not merely a receptive channel but one that also radioed its own noisy and demanding stations.

Relying upon such external perceptions therefore, communication between members of various systems would be relatively impossible. [...] Such contact therefore would always take place beneath so-called normal perception, and even then you would have to translate this inner perception, as you do any into terms you could understand as physical creatures.

That translation would be bound to be distortive, and yet it would be the only kind of perception or understanding that would be possible under the circumstances.

Now were I to communicate with someone in that system, I would have to affect their sense mechanisms, and therefore the material would be delivered in a way, again, that would seem to distort it, and yet without the method it could not be given.

[...] Instead of nouns for example you would have the shape of the ever-moving pattern, instead of a verb the pulsation of the color, or rather of its transmission. Instead of a time sequence of tenses, which they would not need, you have the intensities and depths of color.

They would however definitely go where their experience could be best utilized, and where their intimate knowledge of destruction be best used as a tool. To some degree such a destruction would be felt in all realities. Some probable selves would have shattering dreams of disaster. Other worlds would quake with the psychic reflections.

[...] The new department or her position would build upon her present knowledge and duties; that is, the knowledge would be of definite value to her, but the main emphasis of her duties would lie elsewhere. [...]

Even the physical planet, having vanished, basically would continue to exist. Those responsible for such a destruction would have destroyed only reality as they knew it, in the probable system. [...] You would be dispensing with an experiment you were not able to handle.

At the same time, again, the experiences would be used. From a larger viewpoint you would know that nothing had been destroyed. [...]

The fact that you would say “I am giving you the opportunity to do this by my job” entrapped him further, for he felt basically that underneath this was another reason: that if you wanted badly enough to paint all the time that you would do so, that you should have done so, that you should do so, that you would and could have managed without jobs, particularly in the later years, and that you were betraying yourself and therefore him. [...]

[...] As far as the idea of doing nothing, I explained to her that I thought saving money would enable us to get our own living quarters eventually, and thus solve some long-range problems. [...] I would say the realization became conscious late last year; I kept the job until we finished checking the script for Seth Speaks, by the end of January.

[...] This in itself aggravated those old fears concerning sex and the body—that it would lead him astray. If you did not—I am using his terms now—flirt with him and play with him in those terms, he was afraid he would look for that assurance in other men’s eyes.

[...] For whatever reasons, he never planned to marry a man who would go away to work each day, but saw you both involved in a jointly-shared comradeship of work and love. You, it seemed later, grabbed hold of a job with great tenacity and would not let it go, and he grew more and more afraid of suggesting that you do so.

[...] It was obvious to both of you, I believe, that at times Ruburt would stand a good deal taller. On some of those occasions all of the areas from the hips upward were stretching, while the legs would more or less be bent in the usual fashion. On other occasions the areas from the hips downward would stretch considerably, with much new activity in the knee joints and the ankles.

I would like to give you an explanation for last evening’s events, presuming you are both interested. I would also later like to make some comments about “Unknown” Reality.

[...] This period would last several days, when the process would begin again. [...]

[...] You then made a remark, voicing his own fears as well as your own, saying that you would not let him get away with it, meaning you would not let him get away with not going out as a pattern. [...]

The sportsman that you might have been would have gathered, from that same available background, other attitudes and ideas that would fit in with his concept of himself, and fit his core focus. [...] The sportsman, the writer or the artist—any of them would utilize that background differently, but well, and in such a way that it was particularly suited.

Ruburt did not want to understand, for he was afraid, in your joint framework, that you would stop painting, and not use the framework you were supposed to, to get money. He thought this would be a failure on your part, for which he would be at least partially responsible. [...]

[...] You would never consciously face what appeared to be the conflict between writing and painting. You would not take the time out consciously from painting to write. [...]

Your writing abilities for example would not have emerged had that original course and specialized focus been followed to a “t.” Had that original course and specialized focus been followed to a “t,” Ruburt’s abilities would not have emerged either. [...]

You were gifted enough so that you would not starve in the marketplace (humorously)—and yet your gifts were also those that would fit in with your overall purposes of obtaining knowledge of the inner workings of nature, and the psyche. Both of you constantly question the world, and both of you in different ways protected yourselves, so that you would not be tempted by the world’s usual ways.

[...] The search for knowledge would mean often that you would be between beliefs, operating as you had been taught through training, and trying to operate according to the new knowledge. [...] You would share what you learned with the world —but he who seeks knowledge must first of all be himself or herself, for most members of the world cannot follow such a course.

You knew you would not be after conventional knowledge. To mix your purposes with the conventional family life would have been most difficult, so you chose situations that left you free until you met—that is, of property, children, or important ties.

[...] You chose your environments, your interests, your families, friends, and associates forming bit by bit the details that would become the pictures of your lives.

[...] If Ruburt had gone to a doctor, he would have been a different person after a certain point in his life—so in a way it is meaningless to ask what would have happened. Had you insisted that he go to a doctor, you would have been a different person also. [...]

The career would have fallen into conventional pattern for money’s sake. Your understanding, stretched somewhat by earlier ideas, would have fallen backward, so that you ever strained against it. You would have had physical difficulties of quite important natures. [...]

He might have died of heart trouble by the age of 40, for literally his heart would have been broken, and communication between the two of you would have quite fallen away. [...] Do not think then that your creative endeavors have caused you difficulties, or that without them life would have been a bed of roses. [...]

[...] I turned her away at the door with a promise that Jane would call her at the Holiday Inn. [...] I arranged that both women would meet here at 4:00 PM to talk with Jane for an hour before supper time; Sue Watkins was also due that afternoon with some typed material for Psyche—which is why I made the arrangement to begin with.

Medicine would gently and expertly encourage healing processes as it more fully understood the psyche’s great emotional being and needs. Learning would take advantage of the latent inner knowledge of the subjective self, and help it interpret itself in terms of physical life. The dream state would be seen as an inexhaustible fountain of information. Efforts could then be made to understand and interpret private symbolism, and individuals within a society would be taught to take advantage of their own inner data to enrich their personal lives and help the community.

He would try to ascertain the patterns of the psyche, and follow them. He would encourage the patient to tune into the private oracle in order to ascertain his or her own purposes in physical life, and to reinforce spiritual strength. The complete physician would be an individual, (male or female), who was in superb health, and therefore understood himself the particular dynamics that operate between spiritual vitality and physical well-being. (Intently:) That would be his specialty.

[...] But that order would recognize the inner validity that is within the self; and the inner order, unseen, that forms the integrity of the physical body, likewise would form the integrity of the social body. The self, the individual, being its fulfilled self, would automatically function for the good of itself and for the good of society. [...]

[...] Aspects like Seth, she wrote in Chapter 11, “would have to communicate through the psychic fabric of the focus personality. They would have to appear in line with our idea of personhood, though their own reality might exist in quite different terms. [...]

Now I speak from several layers, though the word “speak" is a poor one, I turn myself, you see, into steps down which I walk and the steps represent what you would term personality fragments, though the term is distortive. [...] I have been to your seminar—not your seminar—but ones much like them in what you would term the past. [...]

[...] We would like to create a sort of school—a very simple kind of school—to help anyone who seeks for it, without presuming that we have any answers, but going on the assumption that the way which has been proclaimed by many men is a good way—namely the simple way of love. [...] What would you recommend?”)

([Gene]: “Would it be a fair guess that it would be a garbled pronunciation of the last name?”)

[...] If you looked up now, you would not recognize the self that you will recognize. [...]

If the data had been received by all of you, you would all have appeared to see more or less the same apparition. You would, of course, have each instead constructed your own apparition, in your own space perspective; and because of the other clues usually given the three apparitions would have seemed to be one, agreeing for all intents and purposes to be similar in terms of appearance, and approximate location.

[...] If five people were in this room, then they would each construct, in their own personal perspective, their own image of Ruburt, which would be composed of definite, material, atoms and molecules. You would have five actual physical constructions, plus Ruburt’s own. [...]

[...] I should hope that the apparitions would not occur; and if they did, they would represent your fear of what they once stood for, and would not be the threats that they were originally, but after-images, so to speak.

If they were that thoroughly constructed they would. They would be free from your control, and allowed their own value fulfillment. [...]

[...] He felt that you would find tours, etc., highly disruptive. There would be endless decisions to be made. [...]

He would purposely choose occasions in which dancing, to begin with, was at least not the thing—when no one else was dancing, when an ordinary person might have inhibitions against it. The very challenge was made because it, the challenge, aroused him to action in a situation in which he felt your natural inhibitions would meet up against his denied spontaneity.

He feared that left alone he would want to travel at the drop of a hat. [...] He thought he chose methods then that would annoy each of you the least.

He did of course care deeply, (and had) his interpretation of your feelings: he believed that the symptoms served you both, that you would on the one hand object, give lip service against his methods, but that underneath they provided you service.

If you understood and felt the joy within your own being, you would have no need of questions. You would know without words. If you would allow yourselves the freedom to meet, not some great teacher, not to run from teacher to teacher, but if you could meet the vitality within one cell, even one molecule of your body, you would have no need for questions. [...]

[...] Not because I say you will attend it, but because you have already decided to attend it, and I would dearly like to see some memory on the part of the conscious selves involved. There will be some probable selves there, and I would like to introduce you to each other. They will be here at class next week and before then I would like you to have some kind of relationship. [...]

([Gert:] “In the dream state, these strangers or associates, would we put on them a face that we would be able to relate to, say, a member of our family?”)

[...] Now if there is any discipline that I would tell you to adapt, it would be the discipline of joy which is spontaneous and from which, initially, all creativity comes. [...]

[...] I would, if I may, suggest a reinforcement unfortunately in this sort of expectation. I would suggest on your part a rather illogical but perhaps understandable feeling of guilt, involving your father. I would suggest, indeed, that perhaps you hesitate as the first son, to be more financially solvent than your father is, and therefore in your own eyes symbolically shame him.

I would suggest also, if you will forgive me perhaps, a completely natural fear of incestuous relationship with your mother. Nothing would please her more than money, and you fear that if you made more money than your father, he would feel that you were doing this purposely, to take her away.

[...] If you had taken the house you would have moved in on the 13th, and it would have worked out very well, because your expectations would have then built it up.

[...] Before our sessions you would have been satisfied with less. You would have made an excellent go of this. I admit that I tried in some ways to influence you both; but without your acceptance, and practical acceptance, of this idea of owning property and house, and I do mean practical, signature on the dotted line acceptance, you would have gotten nowhere with your desire for a home of your own.

(I was not sure whether the test would be telepathic or clairvoyant, or a combination. I felt it would now be different since Jane was probably alerted. [...] She also said she thought Seth might address the session to Dr. Instream, and that if he did she would prefer not to be distracted. [...]

Another meeting between Dr. Instream and myself would be advantageous, so that we could speak plainly. Perhaps such a meeting would facilitate mutual understanding, without which such a venture has little hope of success.

[...] I would prefer that some informal meeting be held if possible between us, as a preliminary to our venture. I do not necessarily stand on ceremony, but I do feel that some friendly discussion would be seeming under the circumstances.

Such an informal meeting as I have suggested, perhaps on Ruburt’s home ground, again, would reinforce such rapport. And a frank as well as objective attitude on the part of Dr. Instream in his letters would also help.

He chose to leave when he did, when you would miss him most and question most. For the question would lead you to find answers. [...]

[...] He came back to tell you there was no death—you would not listen, hear or believe. [...]

[...] (Teach you love—he would not die.)

Without this knowledge you would not progress. [...]

Now if you would each, for ten minutes a day, open yourselves to your own reality there would be no question of self-justification, for you would realize the miraculous nature of your own identity. [...]

This particular individual was quite aware of what would occur, on what you would call an unconscious basis. [...]

(Bert C.: “What recourse would the poor individual who was born with all of these seemingly insurmountable handicaps have, were she to say consciously, at the ego level, ‘I just don’t want any of this. I would have much preferred to have been born aristocratic’?”)

[...] It would be ridiculous for you to choose to do this, and then say to yourself, “Why did I choose to work in the slums? I would prefer to work on Fifth Avenue.” [...]

I would always catch any real possibility of danger. I would catch any occurrence that would be strongly disagreeable if it were actually going to occur. I would know beforehand, but I am not necessarily aware of what you might consider possibilities in that line, unless I use particular effort, so these possibilities are not considered by me. In the particular instance that we are discussing, if such a session would have led, if held, to a strongly unfortunate situation, then I would know in advance, and not hold such a session.

[...] Such a future framework, and a method whereby we take fuller advantage of high peaks would also tend to cut down distortions. This would obviously be most valuable.

This kind of procedure, while appearing less disciplined, would in actuality require added discipline, since this would be necessary to avoid the imbalance of either too many or too few sessions.

If the procedure were attempted prematurely it would also tend to place an added strain upon you both, particularly upon Ruburt, who would have to make the decision in the last analysis.