“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

[...] You may ask whatever questions you have either at another class or later, but give us time to pursue this now. [...] At one time you were his son and at some time I will give you particulars, dates and places. [...] At another time he was your daughter and you were the father. [...]

[...] He wanted to be free of the body before that time was reached. Now in the two lives immediately previous he stayed with the body at one time until he was 87 and at another to the age of 92 and at a time when such age was quite unusual. [...]

Give us time here. [...] You decided upon the course ahead of time. [...]

Time perception is your own, including the instruments that test the age of the rock. You form your realm of reality and the time system within it. [...]

[...] Therefore, while this time one of continuous moments is no longer experienced after death, it is still a reality within basic time itself, a reality toward which the personality simply is no longer focused. Because the individual is focused within time one now, you still realize, or should, that the time one is only a small portion of time, and that other kinds of time exist of which you are not aware.

It is one thing to conceive of basic time as being outside of physical time, for the sake of making a point; but it must be realized that Priestley’s time one, while only real to the ego, is nevertheless a part or a materialization that exists within this basic time framework, and the life force is at the same time within as well as without.

The number one time cannot contain other times but the consciousness, with help, can to some extent perceive these other times. And this perception then allows consciousness to escape some of the confinements of that one time. Our spacious present of which I have spoken contains all times, but it is not a thing apart from them, nor precisely their sum. [...]

[...] According to him the consciousness, the individual consciousness of time one, becomes something else at physical death, and the consciousness that is part of time two in physical life becomes dominant in the next existence. [...] Priestley’s individual, after death, with his dominant time two consciousness, has available to him what was time one during physical life.

Dreams, the dream world, these do not exist to any real degree in time as you know time. Weeks may be experienced in a dream, and the dream may take but a split second of your clock time. The inner thoughts of the mind exist but briefly in time, and even this small tinge of time that touches both dreams and ideas is not basic to either the dream or the idea.

This tinge of time is an attribute of the physical camouflage form only, and even then the relationship between time and ideas, and time and dreams, is a nebulous one. As I have mentioned, though you experience two days in a dream, you are while in that dream free from the time involved, in that you do not age two days, although you have psychologically experienced that apparent time.

[...] It exists in time. The mind takes up no space, it does not have its basic existence in time. The reality of the inner universe does not take up space, nor does it have its basic existence in time. Your camouflage universe, on the other hand, takes up space and has an existence in time, but it is not the real and basic universe, any more than the brain is the mind.

The dream world and the mind are touched by time, and exist in it only in so far as these realities dip into the camouflage universe. Basically both the dream world and the ideas of the inner mind do not have their existence in time, although they may be visible from the perspective of time, viewed from the physical form.

[...] (Pause.) Men thought in terms of rhythms of the time, or of flowing time, not of time in sections that were arbitrary. So as far as creaturehood is concerned, you have adapted to a time environment that you yourselves have formed. [...]

[...] His irritability is somewhat natural — but also based on the idea, still, that when he is laying down that is dead time (with amusement), or useless time, enforced inactivity. It would help, of course, if he reminded himself that his creative mind is at work whether or not he is aware of it, and regardless of what he is doing, and that such periods have the potential, at least, of accelerating creativity, if he allows his intellect to go into a kind of free drive at such times. [...]

[...] Then: “Well, I don’t tell you everything, but for some time now I’ve known Seth gives what I call ‘fill-in’ sessions, or ‘floating material’— stuff he could give any time. [...]

[...] There are certain sessions I’ve labelled ‘fill-in’ sessions in my mind for some time now, or thought of them as covering ‘floating material.’ They aren’t book sessions or specifically personal ones. They keep the sessions going over periods of time. [...]

In your terms other universes, with all of their own space and time structures, were created simultaneously, and exist simultaneously. The effect of looking outward into space, and therefore backward into time, is a kind of built-in convention that appears within your own space-time picture. You must remember, then, when you think in terms of origins, that the very word, “origin,” is dependent upon time conventions, and a belief in beginnings and endings. [...]

(Pause at 9:31.) I said that in your terms (underlined) all universes were created (underlined) simultaneously—at the same time. The very sentence structure has time built in, you see, so you are bound to think that I am speaking of an almost indescribable past. Also, I use time terms, since you are so used yourselves to that kind of categorizing, so here we will certainly run into our first seeming contradiction (see the last session) — when I say that in the higher order of events all universes, including your own, have their original creations occurring now, with all of their pasts and futures built in, and with all of their scales of time winding ever outward, and all of their appearances of space, galaxies and nebulae, and all of their seeming changes, being instantly and originally created in what you think of as this moment.

[...] You must look not to space but to the source of space, not to time but to the source of time—and most of all, you must look to the kind of consciousness that experiences space and time. [...]

[...] The initial action did not occur in space or time, but formed space and time.

You create times and places. [...] You all dwell in dimensions that know no place and no time, and so Ruburt is correct for when you ask me of places and times I answer you in terms of places and times, and when you know enough to ask me questions that do not have to do with places and times then you will understand more of your own identity, the nature of your existence and the abilities that are inherent within you. [...]

[...] Physically you believe that you are here and so you are here but other portions of your identity are in other places and other times, and I use those terms very loosely. They are only to make you happy because the words, times and places, have a meaning to you but in your basic reality you do not know times nor places. [...]

Now in dreams you open [sic], though not always, also escape and time is meaningless to you. [...] Now your astronauts cannot do this as yet in your time schedule and yet you can do it and when you return, no time has passed in physical terms. [...]

The inner self does not know the meaning of time. [...] They will always think to interpret experience in terms of place, space and time. The inner self knows far better, and the inner self goes its way acting as if time did not exist because it does not exist. [...]

[...] Your fellows do after all seek you out, even if the time is wrong. On the other hand, to some extent you squander the free time you have, for example, squandering your Friday evenings often—but not always. You should have a clear picture, taking some definite time out for friends, and it should be clearly understood that in your working hours you expect to be alone.

There may be times in working hours when someone comes, and you do feel like seeing them. [...] Most of the time, however, you are not honest. [...] This only serves to reinforce your beliefs that it is impossible to maintain your privacy, and you feel then less in control of your own time.

People are reborn in themselves time and time again. [...] You are, all in all, using your earthly time well, shoving into it birth after birth. [...]

[...] At times you felt as a child that painting, or rather drawing, hurt her, and that also she might retaliate by withholding her support in other areas. [...] You were told in so many words that it was selfish of you to spend so much time by yourself, for often even when you were with Loren (my younger brother), for example, you carried a circle of your own intent about you.

[...] It uses time, but is not used by it. [...] It takes time to paint or write, but the great inspirations of painting and writing transcend time, and the feeling of freedom and exuberance can give you in a few hours creative inspirations that have nothing to do with the time involved.

[...] I kept the letter, finding it after it had been initially misplaced, feeling for some reason that Jane shouldn’t answer it at the time: I trusted my intuitions, then. [...] Jane mentioned the note at various times, wondering what had happened to it.

[...] You think of a work of art as composed, say, of a theme or overall design, of various techniques and personal idiosyncrasies; and yet works of art, while transcending time, are indelibly impressed by the times also. [...]

[...] It may not seem so, but only your ideas of time, and not time itself, relatively closes your mind to the idea of a book of your own. [...]

Such effects may (underlined) appear suddenly within time’s context, rather than slowly emerge, say, into that framework. It is, of course, that kind of outside-of-time activity that in your terms explains the origin of your universe. There are dimensions of activity, then, that do not appear within time’s structure, and developments that happen quite naturally, following different laws of development than those you recognize. It is not just that highly accelerated versions of time can occur at other levels of actuality (long pause), but that there are dimensions in which those [versions] are no impediments to the natural “flow” (pause) of events into expression.

(9:40.) Your historical time is, say, but one species of time that dwells upon the earth. [...] Time itself emerges from idea, which is itself timeless (long pause), so in those terms there was no point where time began, though such a reference becomes necessary from your own viewpoint.

[...] She’s spending her time with the sessions, working on her book of poetry, and painting. For a long time now I’ve been doing it all in the outside world. [...] We’ve been quite discouraged at times lately, yet Seth has had a different story to tell. [...]

—master events, then, involve “work” or action whose main thrust exists outside of time, yet whose effects are felt within time.

[...] It is unfortunate that I must use terms of time to explain this to you, but as I told you many sessions ago, my time is not your time. [...]

[...] He may or may not actually be speaking at that time, for you may be watching a film. But the teacher exists whether or not he is speaking at that time, in your terms, and his message is as legitimate. [...]

At one time you and the child were also brothers. He was impatient with you at times, for he remembered you as a companion in male pursuits, and bitterly resented your femininity.

[...] This would take into account our physical time system, etc. [...]

You carried with you in your heads messages and laws that had been given to one of your kind in a time that was already nearly forgotten. [...] They originated from the time of Atlantis. [...] The messages were put into words and language and written down at the time of Atlantis, but after that they were handed down by word of mouth.

(The Essenes were one of the four known Jewish sects active in the Holy Land at the time of Christ. [...] If Seth means that the Essenes were promulgating the Speakers’ codes of ethics in, say, the first century A.D., then this of course is a time many centuries later than Ron’s life in 1200 B.C.

Now, again in those terms, he is an entity who appears time and time again within your physical system, but he has been recognized on only two occasions. [...]

[...] (To Ron): In a life in the east before the time of Christ, 1200 B.C., you were a member of a body of men who belonged to an esoteric heritage. [...]

[...] These ideas, again, are a part of the one line of consciousness that says “You have only so much energy and so much time. You must therefore ‘use’ time and energy well; practically you must not waste time or effort. If you have a purpose and you want to achieve it badly enough, then everything else must be sacrificed for it—because “time marches on.” “Time is money.”

[...] They would take time and energy that should be devoted to work. [...] Yet there can be danger that you forget that creative time can produce in an hour magic creations that ten hours of frightened, enforced time can never do—and that a moment’s inspiration in a bar, or with company, or on a walk in the park can bring forth world-changing theories that no amount of fearful economy of time will ever deliver.

For some time in the past, I grant you, you each considered sex uneconomical in terms of time and energy. Rather than avail yourselves of its great refreshment, you thought of the time taken from your work, each of you; beside this Ruburt feared pregnancy, seeing a child not as any kind of fulfillment, but as an artistic and economic disaster.

Ruburt has been trying to be economical in terms of money, energy and time. [...] You purposely chose a time involved in which writers and artists had it “hard”—so you cannot turn around then and blame the society. [...]

[...] Strictly speaking, it isn’t dictation for Mass Events, but Jane and I are presenting portions of it here because Seth discussed events and memory with a different emphasis, and touched upon aspects of reincarnation² — all subjects that spring out of that ineffable, really undefinable quality he calls simultaneous time. I ask the reader to always keep in mind that no matter what subject he’s discussing, or from what viewpoint, Seth’s kind of “time” underlies all that our present physical senses translate into linear, concrete experience and history. For clarification, I also keep this in mind: Seth isn’t physical, as he defines himself, and that “energy personality essence” seemingly isn’t all that focused on the passage of time — as we are — yet way back in the 14th session for January 8, 1964, he told us that time “is therefore still a reality of some kind to me.” In these notes for Mass Events, I plan to refer to time — all kinds of it — from “time to time.”)

[...] In mid-July our friend Sue Watkins¹ began typing the rest of the final manuscript for Psyche; Jane had managed to help me out by finding the time to prepare the first five chapters for the publisher, but since we were both so busy we asked Sue for assistance. [Sue is a writer also, and knows about things like manuscripts.] Then by the time this 806th session came about, Jane estimated that she was practically through with the first handwritten draft of James. [...]

You are used to a time structure, so that you remember something that happened at a particular time in the past. [...]

1. Sue Watkins has been mentioned, and at times quoted, in a number of Jane’s books: The Seth Material, Seth Speaks, Adventures in Consciousness, Psychic Politics, and both volumes of “Unknown” Reality. [...] At this time Sue is working on a novel of her own and co-editing a weekly newspaper in a small town some 50 miles north of Elmira, New York (where Jane and I live).

[...] Their sense of time is completely different, as however your own is innately. It is difficult to explain this, but keeping in touch with a civilization for several thousand years of your earth time, would entail perhaps the same amount of time and effort a man might take in his profession over a period of five to ten years, so the relativity of time is important in that context.

You have learned how to make roads through space, but not through time on a conscious level. There are intersections in time and space however that you have not recognized. [...] (Pause.) Times exist then as surely as places. You think of time as moving toward something, and of space as relatively stable.

It does not occur to you then that you can get to times, as you can get to places. [...] I do not mean for example that time, each moment, is a finished and done thing to be visited. While time is not moving in a particular direction, in your terms, each moment explodes outward, or expands outward in all directions.

[...] We spent some time discussing it. [...] Seth’s ideas of time give us quite a different approach to these ideas also.

At one time there were also species of birds, however, with high intelligence — this before the period mentioned earlier.² They were not humanoid; not, for example, people with wings. [...] They were social, could swim well (pause), and for some time could live on the water. [...] Many times the birds saved children from falling. [...] In each case in those times there was the greatest cooperation, on a global scale, between species. [...] In that picture all species alive at any time joined. [...] Those who cooperated survived, but they did not think in terms of the survival of their own species alone — but, in time terms, of a greater living picture, or world inviolate, in which all survived.

(Although she doesn’t usually do such work because of the time required, as well as her own emotional attitudes, Jane had given impressions during the earlier call. [...] She finished with the tentative understanding that by midnight she’d receive another call, after there had been time to check her second set of impressions. Jane laughingly told me that if the new data “wasn’t good enough,” she’d probably never again hear from the people involved — but at this time we didn’t realize what was to follow.

Your conscious mind tells you where you are in time and space, and directs your activity in a world of human action. [...] The picture of reality in time and space that you give to your cells must be accurate. They must act on a minute-to-minute, second-to-second, microsecond-to-microsecond basis, even though their own orientation is not familiar with your time concept.

[...] They are biological in that they are to some extent composed of mass cellular knowledge — basically free of time, but directing physical activity in time, and thereby maintaining physical equilibrium.

[...] You regret past time, and that your abilities, you feel, have not come to fruition. This serves to tighten you up and overwhelm you with a sense of desperation at times, and is highly restricted.

[...] Psychological time, if you contemplate it, will set you free, so that you feel value fulfillment and durability within the time that you know. [...]

One, you are limiting the time in which you can be creative or get ideas. [...] Instead tell yourself that creative ideas for your paintings can come to you at any hour of the night or day, and that creativity knows no time barrier.

In this way creative ideas can even come to you at your job, or on other occasions, and be used at a more convenient time. The negative thought that you have only afternoons (underline only), also tends to limit the value of the time that you do have, and restrict it.

[...] Upon awakening, while still in a drowsy state with her eyes closed, she wondered what time it was. She then experienced a “veil” of light within, and in the veil she saw my studio clock and the time, 6:50 PM, very distinctly. She lay dozing for a few minutes, then asked me what time it was. [...]

[...] This time, napping before the session, she awoke wondering about the time; she saw the veil of light again, but not the clock and could not determine the time.

Their time measurements, based on camouflage to begin with, are almost riotously inadequate and bound to give distortive data, since the universe simply cannot be measured in these terms. The universe was not created at any particular time, but neither is it expanding into nowhere like an inflated balloon that grows forever larger, at least not along the lines now being considered. The expansion is an illusion, based among other things upon inadequate time measurements, upon the limited cause and effect theories; and yet in some manners the universe could be said to be expanding, but with entirely different connotations than are usually used.

Whenever you desire, Joseph, for the sake of variety you are welcome to ask me questions at any time. [...] That is, at times I am rather obsessed with getting hard facts through your heads, and at other times I am in a more humorous mood. [...]

In some instances the physical body stays in its original location, and the personality-essence moves through camouflage space and time. That is, the personality-essence, realizing that space and time are merely camouflages, is therefore free to behave accordingly.

Each time you practice with the use of psychological time, you add to your abilities, though results may not always be immediate. [...]

Time as you know it, is simply ignored as an element here. It takes no time for you to journey, using the inner senses, from Elmira to New York. [...]

Psychological time, as I have said often, comes extremely close to the climate in which I have my existence, and which you exist in, but unconsciously. Experience with psychological time, and a continuous familiarity with it, will tell you more than words can about the basic realities of all existence.

“The whole thing had been going on for some time before I finally woke up with my objections. Several times earlier I’d awakened also, sat up, and smoked a cigarette. Each time as I lay down again, the material started coming. So the last time I said: ‘Now, look, Seth, if you want to take me to some of these probabilities, great; with you leading the way; but my consciousness is having a hell of a time handling whatever it is we’re doing.’ Then I fell asleep and the material stopped.”

[...] I’m getting something like this … that data comes through to us multidimensionally, then is sifted through neural connections, where it’s transformed into time-segmentation or strung-out experience. Next it flows into our probable (physical) reality (which itself changes all the ‘time.’) We inherently possess separate pockets or pools of experience (biologically valid among the cells’ characteristics), sidepools where information collects for processing before flowing into the ‘official pool of consciousness.’

[...] Today, Tuesday, is my ESP class day, which means that I have a little less time for my writing, so after giving Rob the small description I intended to type a chapter of Adventures in Consciousness.⁴ I’d lost some writing time lately because of business matters, and because I was trying to catch up on the mail, so I was particularly concerned about getting back to Adventures.

[...] My consciousness gets a smooth feeling at such times, an easiness. [...] I almost felt stubborn, like a reluctant child, wanting to do the thing but not wanting to make the effort at the same time. [...]

[...] The other point that I wanted to make was that while your physical time, or clock time, has no overall basic reality, and is not a primary reality, that runs through various fields or systems, it is nevertheless an electromagnetic reality within your own system, for you have created it on mental terms.

[...] If clock time is escaped within the dream state, then clock time is not a primary. [...]

He will be at all times a prisoner of clock time and of aging, for he will consider these the primary conditions under which he must operate. [...]

I could have spoken at any time on the question of spontaneity and discipline. [...] Of course I realize the time limitations, and others.