“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

You see, you come with demands. Now those who have come open-mindedly to class have found their proofs; and proofs that were not dependent upon cards or showy tricks, but strong proof in that the nature of their reality changed. They understood themselves better. They would relate to the experience that they know. They had experiences that they did not have before, and their mental, psychological and spiritual worlds expanded. And to them, and to me, card reading is an entirely different and inferior product, but while that is what you are looking for you will find yourself at the level that you are now. Without strong subjective proof of your own, without the full ability to travel inward and the doorways to inner knowledge closed until you receive the kind of proof that you are after.

My opinion is that that I have given. Had you come here, however, when the sessions had shortly begun, and Ruburt was himself looking for that kind of proof, the answer may have been different. It is what I have given you now, however, and I fear that like our friend, Instream, unless you change you will be looking for proofs that mean nothing and ignoring the inner reality that is all important and closing your mind to inner validity that alone will give you the kind of proofs that you require. They will come from the inside and not from skepticism. And then you will see them. For example, had your attitude been different and your whole emotional atmosphere been different, and had you in a mood of fun and free giving thrown cards upon the table when I was speaking and said, “Seth, what is on the other side of the cards?” you may have gotten an answer. But not in the framework in which you asked the question nor in the framework in which you proposed the experiment.

What is important are emotional realities not symbols upon cards and until you realize that and until you are willing to open up emotionally to the atmosphere of the class and to the room then no proofs will be proofs to you.

(What I think could be a very important point now came up when Peggy asked Seth about the question of proofs. Seth said that proofs she would accept would not be accepted by science. One proof to come, he said, would involve very strong facial changes in Jane during sessions. [...]

Therefore what proofs can you require? And in all honesty’s sake, what proofs do you think that they will require? [...]

[...] But you speak of proof, and your psychologists speak of proof. [...]

Your attitude may enable us to get some proofs. But others who say this does not exist will never get proof. [...]

[...] Our conversation then turned to the matter of scientific proofs and related subjects. [...]

[...] A discussion followed involving the sessions in general, the field of psychic investigation, proofs, etc. [...]

(Experiments would be set up in advance of the death of either Jane or I, Seth said, that would furnish this convincing proof once one of us died. [...] Seth went on to say that once this proof was made known and accepted, it would change the behavior of every man on earth, for man would have to live his physical life in the face of knowledge of an afterlife.

[...] Without naming names, he told me that the one of us dying first would succeed in communicating with the surviving partner in such a way that the results would give conclusive proof “to the masses.”

(On March 5 the frontmatter proofs for Volume 2 — consisting of items like the table of contents, a poem of Jane’s, the titles of her previous books, and so forth — arrived for checking; we expect to see the proofs for Volume 2’s index in a couple of weeks. [...] Wednesday, I mailed to Prentice-Hall the corrected page proofs for Psyche, and Jane held the 839th session that evening.

(First, on February 12, five days after the 835th session was held, Jane and I received from Prentice-Hall the page proofs for Volume 2 of “Unknown” Reality. [...]

(When I arose early on the 26th so that I could wrap the proofs for mailing, however, I noticed that Billy didn’t appear to feel well. [...]

[...] On the 19th we received from our publisher for checking, the proofs of the index for Volume 2 of “Unknown” Reality, then two days later the proofs for the front matter of Psyche arrived. [...]

(Since Jane began dictating Mass Events 11 months ago, I’ve mentioned our checking the printer’s page proofs for two of her other books: Volume 1 of “Unknown” Reality, and Cézanne. [...] The uncorrected proofs, typeset in the actual page format in which the book will be published, arrived last Thursday. So now we’re spending much of our working time checking — and double-checking — the proofs against our carbon copy of the copyedited James manuscript. [...]

I will congratulate you both on your handling of today’s situation and Prentice, and taxes (and sample page proofs for Volume 1 of “Unknown” Reality). [...]

[...] And when you receive them, then you know for yourself and you have your own proof, as our friend in the corner has her own proof. [...]

[...] He cannot tell you what you are feeling or thinking or touch the reality of your subjective experience and herein lies your reality and your proof and your existence and your feeling. [...]

(To Derek.) Now, as far as proofs are concerned, any of you can measure. [...]

[...] She said that she had asked in a prayer for proof of God’s existence. [...]

[...] The longevity of those religions and their effects upon those ancient civilizations are certainly not taken by “modern men” as proof that those religions had any basis in fact. [...]

[...] These are often taken then as proof that the myth is fact.

[...] (We haven’t seen front-matter proofs yet.)

[...] I’d stopped at the post office to mail Tam the set of page proofs for Seven that Bill O’Hearn had sent us, along with a copy of Bill’s letter re bound copies of page proofs for Seven. [...]

[...] This was largely out of self-interest, and the many Protestant faiths are a proof of the fragmentation that results when man is given some freedom to interpret his relationship with God himself.

You could not have a cohesive society based upon the validity of private revelation, when you believed in a God who was so bloodthirsty, and who demanded such proofs of obedience. [...]

(The page proofs for Seth Speaks were waiting for us upon our return. [...]

[...] He may pick up the portions of the thought which are similar to the main thought, in which case some scientific proof of sorts can be achieved.

It may happen however that the dissimilarity is what falls within his particular accustomed range, in which case proof would be inadequate. [...]

(The index proofs for God of Jane arrived day before yesterday, and Jane found them okay when she checked them today. [...] Mass Events was supposed to come out on March 13, but this date is evidently in error, since we’ve just learned we won’t see front-matter proofs until next week. [...]

The agony itself and the stupendous desire to create represented its proof of its own reality. The feelings in other words were adequate proof to All That Is that it was. [...]

[...] You are simply human, and if you need any proof that you are a part of the human species, and not so isolated from others, that is it. [...]

Perfectionists, however, not only take a dim view of problems, but consider each one a blot, a proof of inferiority in themselves or others and they see such blots everywhere. [...]

[...] Either way, this would be no proof as to my independent nature. [...]

[...] But, scientifically again, this would not be proof of my existence as an independent personality who has survived physical death. [...]

No one, you see, wants more proofs than our friend Ruburt, but often consciously he wants so much that he closes the doors through which I can come, and sets down barriers that belong to the ego alone.

[...] You cannot insist upon the proof ahead of time. [...]