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“Revelation, Obedience, and Objectivity”—that is the heading for this evening’s discussion.

There was not to be any argument given. Obedience was man’s largest responsibility to the Godhead of the Old Testament.

You could not have a cohesive society based upon the validity of private revelation, when you believed in a God who was so bloodthirsty, and who demanded such proofs of obedience.

For centuries, priests of one kind or another have been put in charge of “reading God’s messages,” and interpreting them to the rest of mankind, just as in later times the scientists have been put in the position of interpreting man’s own world to him—in terms quite as esoteric as those of any religion. So science and revelation seem far apart indeed, for the revelation usually insists upon obedience to a vision that is privately received, and offers as a rule but poor evidence. No questions are allowed. Science on the other hand, constantly questions, and is so objectively occupied that the subjective world is entirely beyond its realm.

Animals can be obedient to their masters, and be healthy and exuberant at the same time, but in the terms of nature, no matter what social customs might say, no person can be obedient to a master and be healthy and exuberant at the same time. [...]

[...] And ordered instead to be quiet, well-mannered and obedient. [...]

[...] The group of beliefs are breaking up, and can no longer count upon such blind obedience. [...]

Both mechanisms suddenly line up the belief systems in one particular manner, knocking aside all doubts but accepting instead a strict obedience to the new belief system, and a new reorganization of life itself beneath that new cause.

(Long pause at 4:28.) A strain develops in the personality as it tries to be faithful to its own private picture of reality, even while it tries to obediently conform to the publicly accepted picture. [...]

Religious concepts that stress obedience over expression can also bring about civic disorder.

[...] Intellectual and psychic obedience was much the safer road, and even the saints were slightly suspect. [...]

[...] Intellectual and psychic obedience was much the safer road, and even the saints were slightly suspect. [...]

[...] They expect obedience. [...]

[...] Often as a result of the conflict between the need for obedient behavior toward adults, and the need for independent growth and activity that might well be judged as rebellious by the elders.

Look at it this way: If someone tells you that pleasure is wrong and tolerance is weakness, and that you must follow this or that dogma blindly in obedience, and if you are told this is the only right road toward the idealized good, then most likely you are dealing with a fanatic. [...]

[...] The church provided a family of sorts, but that family also was dependent upon religious obedience. [...]

Meditation had brought him some enlightenment, yet the guru [in India] told him that he must follow blindly in obedience. [...]

Ruburt demanded utmost obedience. [...]

[...] However the ego instantly stiffens its control when it feels that any physical law is being disobeyed, because the ego is concerned with your physical universe, and your existence upon your plane is definitely determined by your recognition and obedience to camouflage necessities.

Take a brief break, get Ruburt a beer, and I will most obediently continue, for I have important proposals.

[...] The word “standards” is important, for in certain terms through such “obedience, “ through such compliance, they are given recognizable patterns into which their most personal experience can flow. [...]

[...] I do not request or demand the vows of poverty, obedience, and certainly not chastity. [...]

[...] I do not require or demand the vows of poverty, obedience, and certainly not chastity. [...]