“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

When people say this of course they mean that fact is true and myth is false. If I say there was very little factual basis for Christianity’s beginning, then people will interpret this to mean that Christ’s reality had no basis in truth. That is not what I am saying. There were other religions in other times that held a sway over civilizations for far longer periods. There were changes, but in general the religions of the Egyptians and the ancient Greeks are cases in point. The longevity of those religions and their effects upon those ancient civilizations are certainly not taken by “modern men” as proof that those religions had any basis in fact. Instead, they are considered as myths, pagan stories. Those peoples considered their Gods to be quite real, to have a basis in historical fact. Those religions had as great an effect upon their cultures as Christianity has had upon your own.

Both before and after “the time of Christ,” as historically given, there were men who claimed to be the messiah. The messiah was a myth waiting for factual clothes. Many men tried on the fit. In a manner of speaking, now, it would make little difference which man was finally given the kingly robes—for the greater reality of the dream was so encompassing that it would come to be, whether one or 10 or 20 men’s lives were historically joined together to form the Christ.

Christ of course was a common name. Crucifixions were normal punishments. Conflicts between the priests and righteous members of the congregation were frequent. Many men dreamed of being the messiah, yet the dream went even beyond the confines of Jewish identity, and was far more international than any would-be messiah realized. Some of the stories have absolutely no basis in fact, as you think of fact. Others are distorted versions of factual events.

(Long pause at 10:47.) The greater creative drama involved occurred for centuries. Christ tried to tell men that he was everywhere, but they could not understand. He did not want a church, but an inner brotherhood. He was not born of a virgin, nor was his physical history any more factual than that once given for Zeus, or Apollo, or the Egyptian gods. His reality however did change the consciousness of man.

It certainly seems that your world is concrete, factual, definite, and that its daily life rests upon known events and facts. [...]

The world’s ideas, fantasies, or myths may seem far divorced from current experience — yet all that you know or experience has its origin in that creative dimension of existence that I am terming Framework 2. In a manner of speaking your factual world rises on a bed of fantasy, myth, and imagination, from which all of your detailed paraphernalia emerge. [...]

[...] When myths become most factual they are already becoming less real. [...]

Overall, it is short-sighted to say that one kind of such perception is truer than the other or more or less factual than the other. [...]

[...] You merge what is seemingly fiction or fantasy with what is seemingly factual. [...]

[...] Physically speaking then, obviously, you are separate from the clouds, and so in those terms your momentary experience of uniting with them would seem to be a lie — at least not factual, or “the product of your imagination.”

[...] There are multitudinous such examples that could be given, as in each day your psyche presents evidence of its own greater being — evidence that you are taught to overlook, or to dismiss because it is not factual.

So after getting to the position that yes, these ideas are factual (or even, larger than facts) is okay, good—but only part of the picture, and the premise could actually be misleading and limiting.... [...]

[...] Aside from the question of whether “evolution” in ordinary linear terms has been scientifically proven [concerning which point Jane and I have many reservations], we were drawn to the article because we thought its “factual” information might eventually supplement some of Seth’s material for “Unknown” Reality. [...]

[...] In other quite as factual terms, indeed in the larger framework of facts, the door of course is not solid at all, as no objects are. [...]

All of this applies to your situation, for I want you to thoroughly understand, intellectually and emotionally, the errors of current thought, so that you can see that our material is indeed providing you not only with “creative material,” but with a more factual presentation of the framework in which you have your existence.

[...] It puts you in a peculiar state of being—or in a peculiar relationship with the accepted world of factual evidence. [...]

A few of the early factual statements made were unknown, I believe, even to his wife. [...]

[...] They remain isolated bits, odds and ends, in which case they begin to present you with a larger factual representation of reality.

This information is factual. [...]

I am saying then that some of your interpretations of the relationship were based on what you would call factual reality, but part was also based on your own insecurity.

[...] They seem to be factual only in periods when the goals of a society do not fully include the arts or philosophies in the larger organizational structure of the community.

(There is also some factual connection in the displacement, since by using the pendulum recently we have learned of the rather important role Blanche played in some of Jane’s earlier associations; due to a complicated variety of events Jane has been bothered lately by some physical symptoms we are in the process of eliminating. [...]

(10:12.) As with Andrea (see the last session), you must accept the validity of your feelings while realizing that they are about certain issues or conditions, and are not necessarily factual statements of your reality. [...]

[...] In this case two distinct notions, one factual and one philosophical, helped keep me at ease.

[...] It is more factual to say that it goes against the grain as far as Ruburt is concerned. [...]

[...] It is about as factual as the “fact” that God sends illness as punishment, or that illness is the unwanted gift of mischievous demons.

[...] Because of the strain, and because he felt his spontaneity so hampered, he came up with (Oversoul)Seven, defiantly, where Nebene could not follow; pure creativity, he felt, with no factual details that he could be called upon.

(9:49.) Because man has not understood the characteristics of the world of imagination, he has thus far always insisted upon turning his myths into historical fact, for he considers the factual world alone as the real one. [...]

(Seth had more to say about my life in Denmark in the 1600’s, although nothing factual or involving dates, etc. [...]