“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

(You had a brief life as twins... Some definite clear-cut divisions within yourself have to do with this life when you were one of two... one going one way, and one the other... One twin had a strong leaning toward military things... a soldier... The organization of the church now serves the same purpose I believe.... security within the organization... The twin who was in the military found his sense of identity as a soldier within the system, but he had great faith in the system... in what he was doing... The other twin was more given to a statesmanlike sort of thing... and was in fact an orator although he had another profession...It included oration to people... The two of you had a very strong telepathic relationship... and this time the church has provided the same kind of organization... You sort of resented the fact that this twin brother of yours had this organization in which he found support and in which he felt so a part because he was absolutely certain of the aims and goals of the organization and he was a good soldier within it... and at that time you envied him that security and that sense of identity within the system in which he believed. This time the orator part of you is still strong in that you want to teach and like to talk and to discuss issues... but also at the same time you wanted the sense of security that you felt the other brother had... Also you picked up his desire to go to battle for, only in this case you are using battle for ideas that you are struggling for. The other brother was battling for what the organization wanted, and served the organization well... You are now battling the things the organization wants and you feel the division... This division is bringing up memories subconsciously, in this past life where there was this division between you and your brother.

(Fourteenth-century France ... Riding academy... Saw riding accident by an academy when you were about 14...You were held up, crippled in some way, for a couple of years... You had a brother and the brother was with you at the time of the accident.

(Greek name... Ostinatious... I am getting also 12 B.C.... This would be his name, not the other twin; that is because he had this telepathic communication with his twin, he has this sense of wanting unity within himself very strongly, at the same time a sense of being divided. A strong inclination to go ahead independently with his ideas, balanced by the desire to find security within the system, and the fear to leave it. His intellectual freedom, he feels, exists only so long as it is cushioned by the feeling of security of the organization... and if he cut loose he would be too panic-stricken to be an independent thinker leading to a dilemma...which you reached just after 30 in this life.... You, Muriel, were the twin brother.) [Typed by WL.]

You had a brief life as twins—some definite clear-cut divisions within yourself, have to do with this life when you were one of two—one going one way, and one going the other—one twin had a strong leaning toward military things—a soldier—the organization of the church now serves the same purpose, I believe—security within the organization—the twin who was in the military found his sense of identity as a soldier within the system, but he had great faith in the system—in what he was doing—the other twin was more given to a statesman-like sort of thing—and was in fact an orator, although he had another profession—it included oration to people—the two of you had a very strong telepathic relationship—and this time the church has provided the same kind of organization—you sort of resented the fact that this twin brother of yours had this organization in which he found support and in which he felt so a part because he was absolutely certain of the aims and goals of the organization and he was a good soldier within it—and at that time you envied him that security and that sense of identity within the system in which he believed. This time the orator part of you is still strong in that you want to teach and like to talk and to discuss issues—but also at the same time you wanted the sense of security that you felt the other brother had—also you picked up his desire to go to battle for, only in this case you are using battle for ideas that you are struggling for. The other brother was battling for what the organization wanted, and served the organization well—you are now battling the things the organization wants and you feel the division—this division is bringing up memories subconsciously, in this past life where there was this division between you and your brother. [...]

Fourteenth-Century France—riding academy—saw riding accident by an academy when you were about 14—you were held up, crippled in some way, for a couple of years—you had a brother and the brother was with you at the time of the accident. [...]

[...] You, Mabel, were the twin brother. [...]

In the first dream you see your younger brother slipping on an icy roof and falling. You go to his aid; discovering that you can manipulate better than you thought, you jump off the roof only to discover that your brother had also fallen over the edge of the cliff and was hanging on until you could get to him.

You then project this, thinking that it would happen to your brother first. [...] You do not see your brother because you are not so sure that such a condition could not keep him under indefinitely.

[...] Both of these involved my younger brother Bill, who lives in Rochester, NY with his wife and 3 children.

(Yesterday afternoon we were visited by my brother Bill and his wife, Ida, from Ontario, NY. [...]

[...] “Your brother and his family, and my reactions. [...]

Now: by the standards your brother Richard once believed in, and by the standards that your sister-in-law once believed in, they are both relatively successful.

There is a woman close to him with whom he has a brotherly relationship, and who helps tend to his wants. [...]

In connection with the brothers and the other letter. [...]

[...] (Pause.) A father, a very old man, still living in a place that is foreign or far distant from the brothers. [...]

In Joseph’s dream, his brother’s features had an Oriental cast. Joseph knew that his brother lived as himself, and also as an Oriental, unknown to Joseph in his present life. If Joseph had seen two people — one his brother and one an Oriental — he would not have recognized the stranger, so in the dream his brother’s known appearance dominated, while the Oriental affiliation is merely suggested. [...]

[...] A brother and a sister-in-law, who are alive, were also present. The brother was definitely himself, yet somehow altered in appearance, his features having an Oriental cast. [...]

[...] It would be easy to think that the dream foresaw Joseph’s own death, and that of his brother and sister-in-law. [...]

(“Can you tell us something about my brother Loren?”

(“Can you tell us something about my brother Richard?”

[...] Three brothers and two sisters. [...]

Brother of mine.

(“What was our brother’s name?”)

(“Did we have any other brothers?”)

[...] At our first discussion, though, Peg told me that a brother-in-law had just come into a tremendous amount of money as a result of lawyers fees, he is a lawyer, and a rich account. She then tied this in with an unpleasant episode in the past where there was trouble with another sister-in-law, and this brother-in-law, and thought that the money would now make this sister-in-law sit up and wonder about her own actions in the past.)

[...] For the test object I used a letter from my brother Loren, who lives in Tunkhannock, PA. [...] My brother inadvertently dated the letter 1965 instead of 1966.

(I was three years old when my parents made the month-long drive to California, and my brother Loren was two. [...]

(“The habit of squirreling away” is a good reference to my father, in whose photographic studio my brother Loren took the pictures he refers to in the test letter. [...]

Now you were two brothers, you and your wife and you were herding animals and you were also hunting them. [...] You came back however with your former brother in a wife-husband relationship and the farm connection in your later life has to do with this earlier reincarnational existence, in your terms, in which you (Faith) were very closely involved. [...]

[...] One of them said he’d had “a dream” about having brothers. [...] The TV host never referred to the fact that the three youths were actually members of quadruplets — that a fourth brother had died at birth, according to the news article. Neither did the brothers. I also mentioned to Jane the similarity in the adoptive last names of two of the brothers: Kellman and Gelland.)

[...] The first two of the brothers were reunited through a friend (instead of a mother, say) who noticed the resemblance between them. [...] (A fourth brother had died at birth.) Their unknowing would match my own dreamlike idea of the two young men living in the Elmira area but not knowing of each other. Even the ages of the triplets — 19 years — places them fairly close to my son’s age of 25 in my reverie, rather than, for example, brothers in their 40s.

The constant line of chatter developed by your one brother (Loren, a year younger than I am) was of course a defense to close out the constant telepathic storm. Your young brother (William, 9 years younger) never set up adequate defenses, so that his own mood swung, willy-nilly, as the psychic climate varied.

[...] Your two brothers were not in the house at the time of the later event.

[...] I shared this room with my brother Loren. [...]

[...] When the first brother, or rather President Kennedy died, then it was known that this present situation would occur, and Bob Kennedy knew this very nearly at a conscious level.

He courted or adopted his dead brother’s characteristics and gestures not because, as it was thought, he wanted to bank upon his prestige, but because he had an inner compulsion to do so, knowing the events that would occur.

The eldest brother in the Kennedy family initially intended to take President Kennedy’s role. [...]

[...] For example, Mr. A in his bedroom telepathically picks up the thought of his brother many miles distant. [...] If he merely picks up his brother’s thought, and the thought is, quote: “I am dying. I wish I could say goodbye to my brother,” then the receiver of the message could form the apparition of the dying brother, and then perceive it in his bedroom.

[...] If however the dying brother made an out-of-body journey before or after death, for a last visit, then the receiver would still have to construct the apparition himself in order to perceive it. [...]

(Long pause.) Your father and two brothers were originally part of the same entity. Your two brothers and Ruth Butts are part of the same entity. [...]

He left you and he left your brothers something you hold in high regard. [...]

[...] (Long pause, eyes closed, head down.) He left for your young brother a sense (smile) of sweetness, an innocent, untouched quality that will always sustain him.

There was in past life connection with your brother. [...] The brother in this life was the blood father as you were blood mother. [...]

[...] There were twelve people in all: My parents, Jane and I, my brother Loren, his wife and son, and my brother Bill and his wife, and their two daughters and one son. [...]

[...] The test object was a ball-point pen drawing of a dog; my four-year-old nephew made it while my brother Bill’s family and Jane and I visited my parents last Sunday. [...]

[...] Nevertheless your young brother, this previous weekend, rather suddenly displayed an inclination to say no when he felt that needless demands were being put upon him.

[...] This was perhaps a vague reference to the father of the groom; he is quite a bit older than my brother, who is Linda’s father. Later, Jane told me that this was a reference to brother Loren, Linda’s father.

[...] As stated, the object is the front page of the announcement of the marriage of my brother Loren’s daughter, Linda, to Dennis Murray of Brooklyn, NY. [...]

(“A connection with a photograph”, referred we thought to the fact that my brother took color pictures of the wedding. [...]

There was in past life connection with your brother. [...] The brother in this life was the blood father as you were blood mother. [...]