“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

Now: Ruburt had a different kind of experience lately. (Yesterday afternoon, Sunday, August 10, 1975.) In a state between usual waking or sleeping he found himself giving a session such as this one, where earlier he had only heard my words in his head.

When Ruburt on the couch sensed himself in the chair giving a session, to himself on the couch, this was symbolic of a new kind of relationship between the two of us. At the same time it illustrated part of our relationship as it happens in sessions, in which Ruburt allows a portion of himself to step aside. He was that portion as the normal waking self, the focus personality.

He, that portion, watched television while still sensing us across the table. You saw no one in this position (in the chair), and physically not even a chair was here. At another level however Ruburt was projecting a portion of his psyche outward, and from his own position viewing us at least to some extent.

(9:25.) There was a definite separation, however, in that the focus personality was able to sense its own greater extensions—or rather, those extensions to which it gives permission. Ruburt sat physically on the couch, yet at another level he did sit here (in the chair facing the couch), and in our relationship that was a fairly “sophisticated” kind of manipulation, involving the projection of a form outward—the double. But in this case the double was going about “its own affairs.” Those affairs involved the delivery of a session from the projected image to the physical one. The material was unconsciously assimilated.

Now: in the first episode mentioned the experience was the same, only more vividly experienced since the focus personality was not fully awake and did not have immediate sense data to handle. There, Ruburt was inside the image that he had projected. His main consciousness was merged with mine in the session format; while in the waking experience his consciousness was in the normal image, which sensed the projected one. In the first experience then Ruburt projected an image outward and his consciousness entered it, then he had a session by the same mechanics we always use. The unprojected portion of him listened. He wanted to retain what was said, and sought for methods. He tried to have you take notes, but realized the physical incongruities. He became confused, tried to take notes himself as the listening image, and realized those notes would not exist physically either.

(9:40.) Give us a moment.... It was the feeling of such projection that was important, the subjective awareness of the inner and outer conditions. It is true —the psyche is not restrained by time, yet there are rhythms in which each psyche is involved. They are highly unique and personal, and yet interwoven with historical events which are themselves caused by the psyche’s action. This awareness of projection then represents an important element. These were learning exercises of a kind Ruburt would not allow himself before.

I was saying in his first episode: “Ask and you shall receive, ask halfheartedly and you shall receive in exactly that measure,” and I was looking at you exactly as I am now. Ask and you shall receive. This applies in every area of experience. When you ask you expect an answer, or at least a reply of a kind. If you ask on the one hand and then say “I do not want to know” on the other, the results will be minimal. Ruburt was asking for flexibility but he did not fully want it, and so halfhearted questions bring halfhearted answers. Lately he asked wholeheartedly, and there will be a wholehearted answer and reply—from the psyche itself, which understands its parts. There is a wisdom and an understanding operating, a beautiful give-and-take in life between the intensity of a desire and its fulfillment—an underlying exquisite sanity. While symptoms of any kind serve a purpose they are considered legitimate. The psyche will not remove them until the intensity of desire for freedom rises high enough to meet those purposes in other ways.

(Long pause at 9:52.) It might seem in the short run that drugs and medicines are a great value—and they can indeed be extremely helpful. Money applied liberally, however, to a poverty-stricken group of people can increase their problems if the basic social and individual causes are not resolved. The poverty “rightly or wrongly” has been chosen for a reason. Ruburt’s early poverty was rich. Now I am not advocating poverty per se, but you must look at all such matters with a different kind of vision.

(10:05.) Ruburt had not completely wanted his flexibility. It was only because he went so far in certain directions, because he grew so much in certain areas, that the problem of physical stance with the world arose.