“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

At the same time, the existence of the Nebene characteristics served to bring to your attention the Josef characteristics. Nebene to some extent then was a trigger of creativity. The realization of Nebene would automatically lead you to question, to bring to your conscious attention characteristics that otherwise you may not have recognized; blocks to your creativity, and yet strong drives toward the nature of truth, from which your creativity also springs.

He was at one time possessed of a great desire for power, and led, in those terms now, many astray. It is for that reason that he so fears the false prophet idea. Give us a moment. Is your hand tired?

The two of you were exceedingly close in male comradeship—far more intense than any known now in your time. In your terms he was—in your terms from this standpoint—he was a fanatic against the Christians for religious, political and economic reasons. He feared Rome and hated it. It was no coincidence that Father Traynor used to read Don Juan of Austria (in the Catholic Church the young Jane attended), for they knew each other at that time.

In the first of those two lives, both of you to some extent tried to enforce your ideas of truth through force, physically. The use of great physical force therefore was used purposely. You were involved with your ideas of truth in an entirely different context, as was much of Europe at that time, and some of the world now.

You were not that out of keeping with your times, then. The whole world, more or less, was experimenting with the use of brutal force as an accepted method of enforcing ideas. Anything else was the exception. There are other connections with this life, in which Ruburt chose a woman for his mother who was helpless. Not only could he not attack her, but he was in a position where he must serve her.

Now the woman who was his mother this time had a connection with another leader—I am trying not to get distortions in here; you may have to check some of this later—I believe Charlemagne, and Ruburt slew him in battle, after he was first crippled. The two were bitter adversaries. Ruburt put himself in a position therefore where violence could not be used.

He took the temptation away. I have a small point here, in that Hitler represented as a bleedthrough from a probable reality—extremely interesting. He was a personality who literally should have been born back in those eras, and was not. In one respect he was like a time projection, appearing out of place, a psychological warp brought into displacement by a phenomena that psychologically could be likened to a natural phenomena like a volcano.

The energy from that time, the disturbance between Christendom and the East, generated such energy—very simply put, now—that the physical times could not contain it and it erupted, in your terms, into the future.

As an analogy, most events are this high. (Jane held up her cigarette lighter.) The events in the times of the Crusades, for example, were this high. (Jane raised an arm over her head, full length.) Following the analogy the times, the physical times in which they would ordinarily have occurred, would have ended, say, here—(Jane indicated a spot six inches above the lighter)—but the energy was so great that it catapulted some of these events, displacing what you think of as time, so that they appeared, as Hitler did, where theoretically, now, they should not have.

This kind of displacement can occur, but in practical terms, the terms by which you judge time, this is unusual. Hitler appeared therefore as a far more vicious character against your current world, than he would have had those other times contained him.

All of those involved in the Ottoman Empire had their reasons therefore, tell Ruburt, and the victims acquiesced to the basic assumptions of the time, as much as you and Ruburt did. The energy released was fantastic. It also involved the opening of many channels through which sheer vitality was made accessible and served as an impetus against which man could judge his progress.

(11:17. This was actually the end of the session. While talking Jane had images in trance that she couldn’t describe now, concerning Hitler and displacements “shooting out” of their times, etc.