“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

The meeting with your Seagull friend was significant for many reasons. Symbolically, Seven (Oversoul) was important because the book showed Ruburt the wedding of psychic ability and creative ability, emerging as fiction and art form, and his baby.

Ruburt realized that he had held back psychically. We have discussed this. The dream book manuscript, again, represented that dilemma. At one point he tried to insist upon the dominance of the conscious mind, and became pedantic. Seeing that his own ability is greater than our Seagull’s—in certain, now, important areas—he realizes what can be done when he does go ahead.

Now some connections between Ruburt and Nebene are obvious, though perhaps not apparent. Ruburt always knew from childhood unconsciously of the strength of his personality, its potential, and his ability to sway others.

Now your physical situation will change. Using Richard as a case in point, Ruburt sees what happens when full consent is given. He has now an example that suits his sometimes (underlined) literal mind; but his following of the session made that example possible.

It is therefore no coincidence that Richard was a student of Nebene’s, and the material on the reincarnational aspects (that Jane gave in ESP class last night) is quite correct. In so helping Ruburt, he (Richard) is also paying back a service to Nebene, for he owed him much.

I will very shortly now be involved in our new book, and with Ruburt’s consent: and Richard’s visit, or one of other probable events like it, was to occur before the book continued.

As Nebene, while attracted by Ruburt, and in love with her, you considered her evil, and your attraction to her as a weakness on your part, a debasement: so now you find yourself in the position of helping Ruburt understand that his basic nature is good, that he is not leading people astray, as in that life you thought he was.

Ruburt’s way has been different in many respects than your own. Before this, in those terms, he has chosen lives of great contrast and extravagance, with one or two characteristics relatively predominating, either for example extremely intellectual—genius—or idiocy. Dire poverty or great wealth.

Ruburt demanded utmost obedience. He lived for the cause. Many were killed upon his word. His sense of energy was boundless, and he was convinced of his purpose. Toward the end of a long life, however, he began to doubt. Life was cheap. Give us a moment.

You were not that out of keeping with your times, then. The whole world, more or less, was experimenting with the use of brutal force as an accepted method of enforcing ideas. Anything else was the exception. There are other connections with this life, in which Ruburt chose a woman for his mother who was helpless. Not only could he not attack her, but he was in a position where he must serve her.

Now the woman who was his mother this time had a connection with another leader—I am trying not to get distortions in here; you may have to check some of this later—I believe Charlemagne, and Ruburt slew him in battle, after he was first crippled. The two were bitter adversaries. Ruburt put himself in a position therefore where violence could not be used.

It was then, when Ruburt found himself at all close to a position of any importance, that he came into difficulties, because people would begin listening to him again, and he had to be sure his message was a true one.

All of those involved in the Ottoman Empire had their reasons therefore, tell Ruburt, and the victims acquiesced to the basic assumptions of the time, as much as you and Ruburt did. The energy released was fantastic. It also involved the opening of many channels through which sheer vitality was made accessible and served as an impetus against which man could judge his progress.

There was an unabashed joy with the splendor of the body, and sensuous delight, that Ruburt can now remind himself of, and that served to help regenerate at least portions of Christendom that were given to ideals of bodily denial.

The Ottoman Empire’s death in its own way regenerated Europe, and its energy gave birth to the civilization that you know. The death of the Ottoman Empire enriched Europe. The pagan “Joy of life” in its own way sparked new blood. Christendom would have died out otherwise, for it was already tired. Unwittingly therefore Ruburt aided the growth of Christendom as it became known.