“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

Now. First of all, I have some comments. Again, I am sorry you have to write this down rather than simply listening. Because I am in a chatting mood, and I have goodies.

Ruburt realized that he had held back psychically. We have discussed this. The dream book manuscript, again, represented that dilemma. At one point he tried to insist upon the dominance of the conscious mind, and became pedantic. Seeing that his own ability is greater than our Seagull’s—in certain, now, important areas—he realizes what can be done when he does go ahead.

I told you that financially he would do well. The same elements appear in your own painting and in their sales. Of course I want that session, and those immediately following, followed faithfully, and the routine as he has now developed it. He knows what that is. I also want you to read those sessions, and the key one particularly—once a week or so, though he is to read the one each day.

Now some connections between Ruburt and Nebene are obvious, though perhaps not apparent. Ruburt always knew from childhood unconsciously of the strength of his personality, its potential, and his ability to sway others.

There are reasons, reincarnationally, for this caution. Nevertheless, the point has now been reached where he does realize that the basic self is good, and the abilities are being put to good purpose. The realization has to do with results from the sessions mentioned, and the ensuing events.

Now your physical situation will change. Using Richard as a case in point, Ruburt sees what happens when full consent is given. He has now an example that suits his sometimes (underlined) literal mind; but his following of the session made that example possible.

I will very shortly now be involved in our new book, and with Ruburt’s consent: and Richard’s visit, or one of other probable events like it, was to occur before the book continued.

As Nebene, while attracted by Ruburt, and in love with her, you considered her evil, and your attraction to her as a weakness on your part, a debasement: so now you find yourself in the position of helping Ruburt understand that his basic nature is good, that he is not leading people astray, as in that life you thought he was.

Now give us a moment.

He was at one time possessed of a great desire for power, and led, in those terms now, many astray. It is for that reason that he so fears the false prophet idea. Give us a moment. Is your hand tired?

He used the sword—another reason, incidentally, why he does not want to hurt anyone now—and the magic of words, and was involved in wars against Christendom. He knew Pete (Stersky, a member of Jane’s ESP class) who was then a dancer, a woman.

The two of you were exceedingly close in male comradeship—far more intense than any known now in your time. In your terms he was—in your terms from this standpoint—he was a fanatic against the Christians for religious, political and economic reasons. He feared Rome and hated it. It was no coincidence that Father Traynor used to read Don Juan of Austria (in the Catholic Church the young Jane attended), for they knew each other at that time.

Now take your break.

(10:30. Jane remembered the material. She’s also had images. At break she got a series of images of the first ruler, bloodthirsty and joyous as he killed, she said. A great sword, a shield, cries; white teeth and dark skin. “And absolutely convinced of his views. I must be getting him bigger than life, because now I see him bounding all over Europe with his great big shield.” She had these images or impressions off to her left.

Now this is one of the reasons why he was so worried in this life, about leading people away from Christendom, for he did it before.

In the first of those two lives, both of you to some extent tried to enforce your ideas of truth through force, physically. The use of great physical force therefore was used purposely. You were involved with your ideas of truth in an entirely different context, as was much of Europe at that time, and some of the world now.

Now the woman who was his mother this time had a connection with another leader—I am trying not to get distortions in here; you may have to check some of this later—I believe Charlemagne, and Ruburt slew him in battle, after he was first crippled. The two were bitter adversaries. Ruburt put himself in a position therefore where violence could not be used.

The mother had been particularly given to the mutilation of prisoners, and hence chose the physical condition finally—not, now, as punishment, but to understand the experience—and to develop abilities under those conditions.

The personality however, tell him, lived according to his lights, possessed a primitive love of nature, and did, now, inspire others with heroism under the conditions chosen In the second existence mentioned, he was again a leader, but had learned the two-tongued nature of power, and allowed the Christians to win. In a way he handed that burden over to them. They had to grapple with it, and for several centuries.

The energy from that time, the disturbance between Christendom and the East, generated such energy—very simply put, now—that the physical times could not contain it and it erupted, in your terms, into the future.

As an analogy, most events are this high. (Jane held up her cigarette lighter.) The events in the times of the Crusades, for example, were this high. (Jane raised an arm over her head, full length.) Following the analogy the times, the physical times in which they would ordinarily have occurred, would have ended, say, here—(Jane indicated a spot six inches above the lighter)—but the energy was so great that it catapulted some of these events, displacing what you think of as time, so that they appeared, as Hitler did, where theoretically, now, they should not have.

Now man, despite all appearances, is always dealing with the nature of reality, and his historical periods are simply areas in which different methods and ways are tried—all, as he learns to manipulate and use the energy of which he and his world are composed. And all of these, therefore, these searches, exist at once in greater terms.

There was an unabashed joy with the splendor of the body, and sensuous delight, that Ruburt can now remind himself of, and that served to help regenerate at least portions of Christendom that were given to ideals of bodily denial.

Now, you can take a break or end the session as you prefer.

(11:17. This was actually the end of the session. While talking Jane had images in trance that she couldn’t describe now, concerning Hitler and displacements “shooting out” of their times, etc.