“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

(Richard Bach, the author of Jonathan Livingston Seagull, left this morning after having been our guest since Monday, the 28th. He called Jane last Friday from his home in Bridgehampton, New York; he wanted some insights into his writing of Seagull; Richard attended ESP class last night, and heard Seth, Sumari, etc. Jane also gave an excellent reading for him.

The meeting with your Seagull friend was significant for many reasons. Symbolically, Seven (Oversoul) was important because the book showed Ruburt the wedding of psychic ability and creative ability, emerging as fiction and art form, and his baby.

The connection between the two was securely made. The meeting with your Seagull friend however also helped cement this realization on his part. The acceptance from another writer, simply on that level alone, was important: But the meeting with someone who also shared psychic and writing ability was vital.

Ruburt realized that he had held back psychically. We have discussed this. The dream book manuscript, again, represented that dilemma. At one point he tried to insist upon the dominance of the conscious mind, and became pedantic. Seeing that his own ability is greater than our Seagull’s—in certain, now, important areas—he realizes what can be done when he does go ahead.

His reading for Richard was also symbolic. It represented the acceptance by another writer of his psychic abilities as well as himself.

Now some connections between Ruburt and Nebene are obvious, though perhaps not apparent. Ruburt always knew from childhood unconsciously of the strength of his personality, its potential, and his ability to sway others.

Now your physical situation will change. Using Richard as a case in point, Ruburt sees what happens when full consent is given. He has now an example that suits his sometimes (underlined) literal mind; but his following of the session made that example possible.

(In his radio and TV tours, Richard offered to mention The Seth Material and Seth Speaks, to help boost sales. This besides asking his editor to read Jane’s material.)

As Nebene, while attracted by Ruburt, and in love with her, you considered her evil, and your attraction to her as a weakness on your part, a debasement: so now you find yourself in the position of helping Ruburt understand that his basic nature is good, that he is not leading people astray, as in that life you thought he was.

—and he can be pleased with their progress. His desire for truth inflamed them, and all of their aspects, even while his methods served as counterparts against which they rebelled.

This was when he was a male in Turkey, as the country has been called, and you were his cohort, as in the dream he had. There were two Turkish lives, one after another. He was a great leader, driven by the desire for power, and by a sense of purpose, in the Ottoman Empire. He wanted to conquer, and bring the world under Ottoman sway.

Ruburt demanded utmost obedience. He lived for the cause. Many were killed upon his word. His sense of energy was boundless, and he was convinced of his purpose. Toward the end of a long life, however, he began to doubt. Life was cheap. Give us a moment.

(Pause at 10:25.) But he took a nationalistic glory in killing his enemies. Each death he saw as a triumph for the cause.

I am not sure, here, if the word is Tartar. You were with him, but because of personal loyalty to him and the brothership of male with male was considered sacred—but you became appalled that he was leading his people into destruction.

He determined then to keep this power to sway people in line, until, if ever, he was sure of his cause. He led armies, then, and to what end, he thought. It was in that life also that he knew Sue as the personality that sometimes has emerged between them.

(10:30. Jane remembered the material. She’s also had images. At break she got a series of images of the first ruler, bloodthirsty and joyous as he killed, she said. A great sword, a shield, cries; white teeth and dark skin. “And absolutely convinced of his views. I must be getting him bigger than life, because now I see him bounding all over Europe with his great big shield.” She had these images or impressions off to her left.

You were not that out of keeping with your times, then. The whole world, more or less, was experimenting with the use of brutal force as an accepted method of enforcing ideas. Anything else was the exception. There are other connections with this life, in which Ruburt chose a woman for his mother who was helpless. Not only could he not attack her, but he was in a position where he must serve her.

Now the woman who was his mother this time had a connection with another leader—I am trying not to get distortions in here; you may have to check some of this later—I believe Charlemagne, and Ruburt slew him in battle, after he was first crippled. The two were bitter adversaries. Ruburt put himself in a position therefore where violence could not be used.

It was then, when Ruburt found himself at all close to a position of any importance, that he came into difficulties, because people would begin listening to him again, and he had to be sure his message was a true one.

The personality however, tell him, lived according to his lights, possessed a primitive love of nature, and did, now, inspire others with heroism under the conditions chosen In the second existence mentioned, he was again a leader, but had learned the two-tongued nature of power, and allowed the Christians to win. In a way he handed that burden over to them. They had to grapple with it, and for several centuries.

Had they not, the history of the world as you know it would have been quite different. The Ottoman Empire ended up stripped of its power then on purpose, where the deceiving nature of power was given to Christendom, and in this our friend saved his people from a probable future in which the unsavory aspects of power predominated for them.

Yet his emergence was important, reminding the race of the perils into which it could indeed fall. In many respects however Hitler was not a complete personality in usual terms. Part of his vitality and what would have been his redeeming qualities, were sunken in the past in which he did not exist.

Now man, despite all appearances, is always dealing with the nature of reality, and his historical periods are simply areas in which different methods and ways are tried—all, as he learns to manipulate and use the energy of which he and his world are composed. And all of these, therefore, these searches, exist at once in greater terms.

All of those involved in the Ottoman Empire had their reasons therefore, tell Ruburt, and the victims acquiesced to the basic assumptions of the time, as much as you and Ruburt did. The energy released was fantastic. It also involved the opening of many channels through which sheer vitality was made accessible and served as an impetus against which man could judge his progress.