“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

(Richard Bach, the author of Jonathan Livingston Seagull, left this morning after having been our guest since Monday, the 28th. He called Jane last Friday from his home in Bridgehampton, New York; he wanted some insights into his writing of Seagull; Richard attended ESP class last night, and heard Seth, Sumari, etc. Jane also gave an excellent reading for him.

Ruburt realized that he had held back psychically. We have discussed this. The dream book manuscript, again, represented that dilemma. At one point he tried to insist upon the dominance of the conscious mind, and became pedantic. Seeing that his own ability is greater than our Seagull’s—in certain, now, important areas—he realizes what can be done when he does go ahead.

The last session for him—that is, the last key session I gave—is also connected here, for in following it he lifted himself enough above negative attitudes so that he could attract such a meeting. The psycho-cybernetics that he also began because I told him to do what he had done last summer also helped. So he opened himself up to influences that he needed.

I told you that financially he would do well. The same elements appear in your own painting and in their sales. Of course I want that session, and those immediately following, followed faithfully, and the routine as he has now developed it. He knows what that is. I also want you to read those sessions, and the key one particularly—once a week or so, though he is to read the one each day.

He did therefore develop a strong conscientious self, so that these abilities would be put to good purposes, and not frittered away. Until he was absolutely certain that he was on the right track, he would hold back, as indeed he has—but only to a certain degree, as indeed he has.

There are reasons, reincarnationally, for this caution. Nevertheless, the point has now been reached where he does realize that the basic self is good, and the abilities are being put to good purpose. The realization has to do with results from the sessions mentioned, and the ensuing events.

Now your physical situation will change. Using Richard as a case in point, Ruburt sees what happens when full consent is given. He has now an example that suits his sometimes (underlined) literal mind; but his following of the session made that example possible.

It is therefore no coincidence that Richard was a student of Nebene’s, and the material on the reincarnational aspects (that Jane gave in ESP class last night) is quite correct. In so helping Ruburt, he (Richard) is also paying back a service to Nebene, for he owed him much.

As Nebene, while attracted by Ruburt, and in love with her, you considered her evil, and your attraction to her as a weakness on your part, a debasement: so now you find yourself in the position of helping Ruburt understand that his basic nature is good, that he is not leading people astray, as in that life you thought he was.

—and he can be pleased with their progress. His desire for truth inflamed them, and all of their aspects, even while his methods served as counterparts against which they rebelled.

Ruburt’s way has been different in many respects than your own. Before this, in those terms, he has chosen lives of great contrast and extravagance, with one or two characteristics relatively predominating, either for example extremely intellectual—genius—or idiocy. Dire poverty or great wealth.

He was at one time possessed of a great desire for power, and led, in those terms now, many astray. It is for that reason that he so fears the false prophet idea. Give us a moment. Is your hand tired?

This was when he was a male in Turkey, as the country has been called, and you were his cohort, as in the dream he had. There were two Turkish lives, one after another. He was a great leader, driven by the desire for power, and by a sense of purpose, in the Ottoman Empire. He wanted to conquer, and bring the world under Ottoman sway.

He used the sword—another reason, incidentally, why he does not want to hurt anyone now—and the magic of words, and was involved in wars against Christendom. He knew Pete (Stersky, a member of Jane’s ESP class) who was then a dancer, a woman.

The two of you were exceedingly close in male comradeship—far more intense than any known now in your time. In your terms he was—in your terms from this standpoint—he was a fanatic against the Christians for religious, political and economic reasons. He feared Rome and hated it. It was no coincidence that Father Traynor used to read Don Juan of Austria (in the Catholic Church the young Jane attended), for they knew each other at that time.

Ruburt demanded utmost obedience. He lived for the cause. Many were killed upon his word. His sense of energy was boundless, and he was convinced of his purpose. Toward the end of a long life, however, he began to doubt. Life was cheap. Give us a moment.

(Pause at 10:25.) But he took a nationalistic glory in killing his enemies. Each death he saw as a triumph for the cause.

I am not sure, here, if the word is Tartar. You were with him, but because of personal loyalty to him and the brothership of male with male was considered sacred—but you became appalled that he was leading his people into destruction.

He died, and came back as the next leader—this leader being the one that saw the final dissolution of the Ottoman Empire. He felt that he had led, in the second existence, a whole people astray, for a cause in which he had once completely believed, and given entire allegiance.

He determined then to keep this power to sway people in line, until, if ever, he was sure of his cause. He led armies, then, and to what end, he thought. It was in that life also that he knew Sue as the personality that sometimes has emerged between them.

(10:30. Jane remembered the material. She’s also had images. At break she got a series of images of the first ruler, bloodthirsty and joyous as he killed, she said. A great sword, a shield, cries; white teeth and dark skin. “And absolutely convinced of his views. I must be getting him bigger than life, because now I see him bounding all over Europe with his great big shield.” She had these images or impressions off to her left.

Now this is one of the reasons why he was so worried in this life, about leading people away from Christendom, for he did it before.

You were not that out of keeping with your times, then. The whole world, more or less, was experimenting with the use of brutal force as an accepted method of enforcing ideas. Anything else was the exception. There are other connections with this life, in which Ruburt chose a woman for his mother who was helpless. Not only could he not attack her, but he was in a position where he must serve her.

Now the woman who was his mother this time had a connection with another leader—I am trying not to get distortions in here; you may have to check some of this later—I believe Charlemagne, and Ruburt slew him in battle, after he was first crippled. The two were bitter adversaries. Ruburt put himself in a position therefore where violence could not be used.

It was then, when Ruburt found himself at all close to a position of any importance, that he came into difficulties, because people would begin listening to him again, and he had to be sure his message was a true one.

The personality however, tell him, lived according to his lights, possessed a primitive love of nature, and did, now, inspire others with heroism under the conditions chosen In the second existence mentioned, he was again a leader, but had learned the two-tongued nature of power, and allowed the Christians to win. In a way he handed that burden over to them. They had to grapple with it, and for several centuries.

He took the temptation away. I have a small point here, in that Hitler represented as a bleedthrough from a probable reality—extremely interesting. He was a personality who literally should have been born back in those eras, and was not. In one respect he was like a time projection, appearing out of place, a psychological warp brought into displacement by a phenomena that psychologically could be likened to a natural phenomena like a volcano.

This kind of displacement can occur, but in practical terms, the terms by which you judge time, this is unusual. Hitler appeared therefore as a far more vicious character against your current world, than he would have had those other times contained him.

Yet his emergence was important, reminding the race of the perils into which it could indeed fall. In many respects however Hitler was not a complete personality in usual terms. Part of his vitality and what would have been his redeeming qualities, were sunken in the past in which he did not exist.

Now man, despite all appearances, is always dealing with the nature of reality, and his historical periods are simply areas in which different methods and ways are tried—all, as he learns to manipulate and use the energy of which he and his world are composed. And all of these, therefore, these searches, exist at once in greater terms.

(After the session she had more impressions off to her left of the Turkish leader—“the white teeth and dark skin. He loved fancy clothes. He had enormous vitality, bounding about, killing with a joyful childlike innocence, if you can put it that way. He seems like a giant to me.” Jane said her body reacted in different ways—“with a thrill, a chill, an empty stomach all at once....”)