“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

(Once again Jane spoke on her own in delivering tonight’s data, and toward the end of this session we began to get glimmering of what was going on. A more personal and emotional atmosphere began to enter in that was revealing to us; in these situations Jane is learning control even while she is in trance.

(This session was witnessed by Carl Watkins, of Odessa, New York. Carl studied math for two years in college; reading the first session, he said that the ideas presented by Jane in trance made sense to him; he cited some examples to us and worked out some figures, especially concerning quadrants, and drew some diagrams. This proved interesting to us and we understood it while Carl was speaking; later however because of our lack of background in math we found it difficult to recall what Carl had said.

(We sat waiting for the session as usual at 9 PM, expecting Seth to come through. Instead however Jane finally began to speak for herself again. Her eyes remained closed mostly; her voice was even and normal, pace fairly good with occasional long pauses.)

(9:53. Jane came out of trance easily. However she acted and looked, somewhat bleary. This sleepy effect was already more pronounced, I thought, than it had been at any time during the last session. She still had no real idea of the source of the material. The last phrase of her delivery, above, seemed to be a quote. See page 153 of the last session, concerning the old-fashioned little man Jane had seen in image form.

(Jane paused again. Her voice was abruptly somewhat weaker, trailing off at times. She appeared to be making an effort to keep it going. More emotion was now apparent, as though a personality was inserting itself into the data that, so far, had been quite objective and evenly given.)

(Jane was making many facial expressions now, along with her uneven strength of the voice effects. Her features had a different cast also, especially around the mouth; the lips were compressed and stiff, the chin knotted, the brow furrowed. Some of the effect I thought was due to an effort at concentration; the rest seemed to be reflecting the presence of another personality.)

Cron... It’s a Latin word—crontonomous (my phonetic interpretation), as applied to the inner minus spectrum. J U R I N I S (spelled out in a much stronger voice), S T A V O (also spelled, though quieter), one one five one eleven. (The facial difference was now quite marked; Jane looked older.) The symbol to help you identify a sphere with lines like rays. Juris, Edinburgh, 1831 (much louder), 1872 (softer), died. Tormented with the aspects, with the problems of the unknown constant, and the fallacy, the fallacy (puzzled; shakes head almost vehemently), of... I don’t know ... Robby, I think its Democritus (my phonetic interpretation.)

Edinburgh, papers ... Ground rules expelled me. Then, I was before my time. The little man found my theories. The one mentioned earlier. (Jane now sat with her head back, eyes closed; the position seemed to make it more difficult for her to speak.) Untold miseries over the authorship. (Long pause.) Greek speculation, and renaissance—popular(long pause; faint words:) ... Mind is ... Let it be therefore known, fragments shatter under the handiwork of the 9th power, and values redistribute under the leadership of 7.

(Jane said she had felt her facial expression change, as described; at this time the data began to change, she said, from the abstract into an emotional personality who was responsible for it. Thus one of our questions was answered, if vaguely. The personality seemed quite upset, and would have gone on to become very emotional and vehement if my wife had chosen to let it continue in that direction. But having a little experience by now, Jane said she knew when to withdraw from the raw emotional encounter while in trance, and did so.

(She now drew for Carl and me the illustration at the left.“This is the apple with a stem,” she said, “that the personality was trying to get across.” Jane said she didn’t have the vocabulary for it; it was something “he” knew he couldn’t get her to say.

(To our surprise, Seth now came through when the session resumed. The change in Jane was remarkable. She brightened at once. As Seth her voice was strong and on the loud side; eyes open often and very dark, pace good, smiling often. 10:37.)

Congratulations to our mathematical genius, Ruburt. He did well. The information came as given, and under my sponsorship. It was a valuable lesson for Ruburt. (Pause.) I helped in some periods of transmission.

(“Who was that personality, Jurinis?”)

I have come through to help Ruburt sever the emotional contact, and at Ruburt’s request. Overall I am pleased. This was an experiment, and worked very well. I thought Ruburt might like to get some information directly from someone who had a greater interest in such matters than I, and I paged our good friend.

(A curiosity: Carl Watkins said he felt there was a definite mass change in Jane when she was speaking as Seth. When she rocked back and forth as Seth, Carl said, the floor beneath the rocker creaked. But the floor did not creak when Jane rocked as herself after 10:45 PM. Carl said he carefully watched to make sure the chair had not been moved. Jane weighs 105. Carl weighs 188. He sat in the chair now, without shifting its position; when he rocked back and forth the floor creaked.

(We thought the session was now over but this was not the case. As the three of us discussed it Jane began to get more impressions on her own again. At 11:05 she began to speak in the same quiet and controlled trance manner she had used at the start of the session.)

...An encyclopedia of mathematical knowledge... Edinburgh... would have this guy’s name in it. It would seem to be in Latin. This theorem came up again in 1831. The particular volume or edition of the encyclopedia came out in the fall, and at the time this guy was working there was some kind of mathematical dispute going on, and a schedule set for some kind of conference to be held at the university for mathematicians from all around. The dispute had mathematical and philosophical connotations, because the ideas were wrapped up with science somehow.

The name Sturgeon connected also with it, and Litargeous, this is as close as I can come with the name. It was popularly called “The conspiracy of numbers” under the auspices of the primature. (“I’m not positive of the name.” I thought Jane might be trying to get at imprimatur, meaning sanction or approval.)

(A check of the dictionary shows there have been 12 Popes, but our source does not list most by date. Pius the VII was Pope from 1800-23, Pius the IX was Pope from 1846-78, etc. We have no dates for Pius VI and VIII.

(At the end of the session Jane said she was getting Roman numerals here; then she had the impression that what she wanted was “2 digits this side of 8, which would make it Pius VI.”

Eight men sat in judgment on this guy I was talking for earlier, and he got kicked out. There was a Thaddeus involved, and the nature or characteristics of the zero in problems in infinity.

According to this guy, this bunch overrode, through their ignorance and stupidity, the true nature of the constants involved. This guy’s name was removed from the following two editions of the encyclopedia as a result... Oh, we’re going to break it right now.

(End at approximately 11:30. Jane said she quickly ended the flow of data because as she spoke she could feel the guy getting furious all over again at the mention of the encyclopedia; this following a growing anger fueled by the previous data. There was a strong emotional reaction growing, so Jane ended it.