“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

Now, we will let our other people’s sessions go for now.

Now he has been ten or so minutes late at session time, and the reason I should think is fairly obvious. It was also the reason why he suggested beginning a session earlier (this evening at supper time), though he did not know this; and in any case what he suggested, on regular terms, was not really what he wanted.

This was on his part simply an attempt for spontaneity. The spontaneous self had risen up against what it considered the rigidity of beginning a session at a particular moment. He began then craftily so that sessions began after nine o’clock, and then suggested the earlier hour. Now this is simply a minor and temporary element, originally because he has begun his Thursday classes and is therefore further regulated.

Now Ruburt feels, at times unreasonably, for you have told him differently, that you think he shirks when he misses sessions. The sessions need regularity. They also need spontaneity, and for his own nature, I try to see that both needs are met. This is for the benefit of our sessions and for overall balance and efficiency.

Now I am here now rather clearly. I know more than you know, and I realize that we will get through the material, that I have in mind, so it does not bother me when I hold informal sessions, sessions in which material is not always stressed. More happens in these sessions than appears in the written record.

Even with Ruburt’s difficulties as a personality he now makes more use, though he does not realize it, of his creative energies than he ever did. To a large extent you realize this, and it makes you more anxious for your own work and endeavors.

Now you are concerned with our material and so is Ruburt. But there is also a strongly personal interrelationship between the three of us, and this is also important. If you, Joseph, have any questions feel free to ask them. Remember that the emotional element is behind all of our sessions. Without it there would be no sessions and I would not be here.

Now you are dealing with emotions, working with your portraits. Some of the people you paint are real, but you do not know them. You work within regular hours, yet within those hours you are dealing with unregularized emotions. You are dealing with personalities, some far different than your own, and forming these into paintings.

As you know both the discipline and the spontaneity are necessary. Now I know you. I know you far better than Ruburt knows you. (Smile.) Some things you block out. The personalities behind the people that you paint now run about that room of yours, and you try to put them into your paintings, and to make yourself strong enough to contain their reality, and you feel that Ruburt does not understand this. You do not understand all of it, but you feel the pressure of their reality, that wants to be expressed.

Your family in this life has always been determined upon longevity, and you pace your energy. Ruburt has not. The ways are simply different. Now your father paced himself unwisely. You are not making the same mistake. In many ways your mother was also wiser. Although your reactions at times may be different, and although you may not agree with me, still Ruburt will rarely be unrealistic in understanding or in utilizing methods that are highly practical, though neither of you may understand them as such.

Now our sessions take little time. If they took twice the time you would still be very well off for what you get out of them. The recording of them does take time, and over this I personally have no control. There is a possibility that Ruburt could get help from his students here to relieve you, but I do not believe that you would want anyone at our regular sessions. The typing does take time from your own work.

Do you have questions for me, not involving material now, or other people?

I am far more interested in personality equations than in mathematical ones. I have said what I intended to say this evening. Now you may ask me questions or end the session, or I will begin some other material. Or you may take a break and think of questions, or just take as rest as you prefer.

(Naturally I found all this quite interesting. I was aware of none of it while making the two small oil sketches in September 1968. I now knew which two Seth referred to; strangely enough, I hadn’t thought of them as being of the same personality at all. I don’t think they bear any striking resemblance to each other, though in a general way they could be of the same type of person. After the session Jane told me that she knew at once, after I had finished them, that they were of the same person; she took it for granted that I knew this also.

Now as she more vividly imagines life without him, this stimuli will wane. She is now vividly imagining existence without him. On the one hand you can say that he is weakening proportionately. On the other hand he is freeing himself proportionately.

Now. Because it was not used it outlives him. He kept it in isolation and was jealous of it, and did not allow it joy nor freedom.

(At 10:29:) He is in some difficulty at this time, now, according to your definition of difficulty. He is trying to leave.

He was jealous of all (underlined) of his sons, not because your mother seemed to prefer them, but because he saw his own energy and life force giving independence in ways he could not control. He knows better now, but he is still left with the dilemma of freeing himself completely, and beginning again.

The sexes will be reversed and your mother will make a fine husband. Your father has been twice a male, successively. He will adopt the female role, which is more natural to his personality, and be more at ease with creative functions at the spontaneous level. Your mother has been a female now twice in a row, and is ill at ease, and will do much better as a male. The mother-love experience has done much however to balance a too-aggressive nature.

(Pause.) Now your father could die this evening. I do not believe that he will. But your mother’s attention is completely divorced from him at this time, and he has been seeking such an opportunity. The young boy he has been helping no longer needs him.

(At 10:45:) Your father is now trying very hard to escape, but your mother is now at this point turning her thoughts toward him in alarm. (Pause.)

Five people are holding him down. When he swears and is aggressive, he thinks he is showing those male characteristics, you see. Your mother is crying now to Betts, and she may yet hold him.

I have also known some of your people, you see. Now. At one time—now at one time Ruburt’s mother and your father were portions of the same entity.

(“There’s five people holding him down now. He’s struggling, fighting... there’s another nurse there, a different one...” I cajoled, talked, shook her and ordered her out of trance. I made her put on her glasses, drink wine, walk about, etc. Jane said she had no visions of Father; no projections were involved, etc. “Just a shadowy feeling.”

Now. Understand that the main power of your father’s personality is already somewhere else (pause), and is simply waiting for this errant portion.

A portion therefore of your father’s present personality fragment understands this. Now Ruburt has lately allowed his abilities more freedom and as in any endeavor he will make errors, and he must expect them.

I have come through, now, to stabilize his system, as the content of the material frightened him. Now I presume that you wish to end the session. Circumstances have been good this week however, which is why we have had three sessions. On other occasions circumstances are not good. Do you have questions?