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(Jane was a little bleary tonight, having a rather heavy cold. For the record: after supper this evening she received a call from a Dr. Freudenberger, a psychologist and psychoanalyst, who wanted her to speak on altered states of consciousness, to a class he conducts in White Plains, New York on Wednesday evenings. Ray Van Over mentioned Jane to Dr. F. Jane plans to write to Dr. F. later.)

With Philip I see a triangle. One man is more prominent. I interpret this to mean that two men are involved beside Philip, and that one is more prominent or much stronger than the other. He is at the strong point of the triangle, and he would try to manipulate both Philip and the man. The other man is weaker than Philip in overall strength. Give us a moment with this.

The third man will fall off the triangle. He will lose his position as far as bargaining power is concerned, or he will let it go. But for some reason he will lose within the organization what strength he now has.

This is the man who is now in the weaker position. He will lose even that strength that he now has. He will seem to dangle for a while, but his hold will lessen.

Another will take his place amid bargaining and some positioning. You will hold your position, that is, it will not be weakened. The balance of power will shift however. The man who takes the weak man’s place will be stronger than he was.

Now I have seen, and see, the image of the triangle, and have presumed Philip that you were one of the men involved. These three men however may instead be closely connected with your own prospects, but if so the position of the third man, given up to now as you, is as I have given it; and if he is not you then his position parallels your own strongly.

One is a Presbyterian or an Episcopalian, and the weak man either has no particular religion or no strong questions or doubts regarding existence. He swings as the wind blows. Beneath this imaginary triangle however there are other movements. Now I have the letters R and J. Whether these are initials of one man, or the first letters of two men’s names, I do not know.

All probabilities taken into consideration, it seems now that the man at the apex of the triangle will topple, but if so he will not understand why. There is a man in your own acquaintance who will be somewhat instrumental, and yet you do not regard him as a close friend, and to some extent you distrust him. Again, do not jump the gun, you are not sure whose hand may be on the trigger.

Your own advantage will come when the weak man falls off, for another will match you in strength, and together you will change the balance. The man you have been thinking of this evening will not betray you. He may forget you. Your position within the company will be assured, and has been, as long as you continue your bulldog tactics. You aggravate them, and yet you make them think. They dislike you for the aggravation, but they admire you because you make them think, and they now are beginning to believe that your thoughts can save them money and time.

There seems to be a messenger through whom you are sending your own attitudes and setting your terms, and he can only be trusted so far. The 13th of next month is somehow significant in this regard. You are seeing some issues very clearly, but some you are ignoring. There is a short man. It is difficult to describe him here, because of Ruburt’s associations. The image is of one dapper, given to pinstripe suits, slippery.

This is Ruburt’s interpretation of a crook. But the point is that you are not paying enough attention to this type of man. He is physically short, and I believe either dark-haired now, or he was dark-haired. He is separated from you by two positions, and he knows your messenger.

([John:] “Is he friendly with the messenger?”)

He is an acquaintance of the messenger and he is superficially friendly with the messenger, and he may (underlined) have warned you against him in the past. If he has not, he has been personally suspicious but did not consider the man that important, though the term is relative.

(John said he couldn’t give comments on tonight’s data, that it depended upon whether he was in the triangle. At first he saw no connections. I am not trying to give an account of the long and complicated discussion that now took place between the three of us, as John discussed his company, Searle, and its internal politics.

(Speculating about a triangle in which he was involved, John said he could see where the weak point would be his immediate superior, his district manager in Rochester, and the strong point would be the regional manager in Long Island. John told us his district manager was offered the job of regional manager recently, but turned it down for various reasons; more money would have been involved also.

(John has a copy of each of the dozen or so sessions he has witnessed. He plans to go over these paragraph by paragraph and make his comments on the accuracy of Seth’s data over the past few years, regarding John and Searle. John will do this on tape; Jane and I will transcribe the notes and insert them into the record for future use.

This is, so far, your fate as far as probabilities and your own inclinations are concerned. This is where your interest and abilities and intent will get you if they do not change; and the position has potentials on the one hand, and on the other hand disadvantages. For in this future the man on the left will again falter, though he is not the same man. Another, stronger, will take his place, and together you will balance the entire structure.

(10:28. Jane’s trance had been very deep. “He had me real far out,” she said later. I finally had to coax her out of it, slowly. She remembered nothing of what she had said, which for her is somewhat unusual. She had difficulty especially in getting her eyes open.

(Again we discussed the data during break. John said it was okay for me to note here that he agreed with the data. Again Jane’s pace had been fast, her manner mostly serious.

The other man will be strong but his strength and yours will reinforce each other. But he will want different things so your conflicts will be minimized. There will be two men jockeying for the weak man’s position, each from different areas... The one man will not make it. Someone who is immediately behind him, seemingly with no power, will nevertheless prevent his movement.

(John questioned Seth here about the triangles mentioned early in the data, and above. The exchange was too rapid to take down verbatim, and I so told John. He said he remembered the information Seth was giving him. It concerned the manner in which he would be advanced. John was concerned about where he would go to beyond the triangle, for at first glance he said he seemed to have nowhere to move to.)

He may (underlined) have freckles, but of the sort of complexion given to freckles. The hair crew cut. He is not stationed in this area but more to the west.

You have met him in Chicago. He has short legs. His own ambitions override all else. While he is honest when he says something, his own ambitions betray him into untruths. He is not to be trusted. I believe he is two steps away from you, and usually you know better a man who stands between you and him. The letters L A R come into mind here, and I do not know specifically to what they refer.