“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

(Session for Pat Norelli of Boston. Recorded and typed by Pat.

([Pat:]I had been terrified of my father for the first 19 years of my life. Indeed, I never saw my father as a person but rather as a dark shadow with a club. My father had a temper that was aimed at us children and at my mother. [Yet my father is a very loving person. I know that now. We are very close, now. I love my father deeply. He has mellowed in his attitude toward my youngest sister, also.] We got spanked when we misbehaved, which is something I’ve always been ashamed to admit to others. I didn’t want my friends to know my father spanked us. I wanted my family to be a happy one. I was always afraid to bring friends home for fear my mother and father might argue and embarrass me. Also, I didn’t think my dad wanted us to bring friends home.

([Pat:]I had a crush on Mr. Finfrock for three years, grades 7 to 9. All the girls had a crush on him. But the other girls weren’t afraid of him. I was. He knew I had a crush on him; he knew that most girls did. He flirted with us. The other girls flirted back. I’d just stand there shy, scared, and in a dream. Sometimes he’d hold our hands; or if we were in the supply room, shut the door so that we’d be alone and then hold my hand and tease me. Now, thinking back on it, he was rather cruel to do that. I never was interested in boys my own age. I just “loved” Mr. Finfrock. And I was too afraid of him to even speak to him.)

([Pat:] My father and I never spoke in a close communication. I was always afraid to talk to him about anything. I could never open my heart to my father. He wasn’t like a person; more like a club.)

([Jane:] “Now see, he’s coming through much stronger than he used to, and it takes me longer to learn how to manage the transition. And I can’t remember hardly anything at all that he said this time, except that he was trying very hard to make his point clear. What did he say about Dick Reed, that’s what I want to know. I remember that. I knew that he was telling Pat something but I couldn’t eavesdrop.”

([Pat:] “I guess that we are using one another. I suppose… that neither one of us sees the other person for what we are. He hides behind the God image that I project upon him … he’s trying to hide, and, of course, that’s a perfect image to hide behind.”

([Pat:] “He said that all the poems were used to avoid communication, which is something I sensed, anyhow, which is something that I kept trying to get around. In an effort to communicate, I was blocking communication. I’ve never seen Seth in such a good mood. Every time I’ve seen him, he’s always been bawling someone out.”

([Pat:]“He said he didn’t want physical relationships with a female.”

([Pat:] “That I would like more information on, not so much for me, but for Dick, if I ever have the courage to let Dick hear this.”

([Pat:] “That’s right. I’d like him to hear the tape. It might be embarrassing but it could help.”

([Pat:] “Right. It might make him worse. A person hearing this information might react in a way to avoid having to accept it.”

([Pat:] “But he shouldn’t take it as something personal. I know I can listen to this, what Seth says about me, and I can take it, and I can take what he says about Dick, too. I think he could accept it too.”

([Pat:] “I think Dick is interested in the subject. He wanted to have a Seth session.”

([Pat:] “But I hate to ask for a Seth session. What right have I got to ask for a Seth session.”

([Pat:] “Well, he read your book and he’s read the articles on Bishop Pike and his son. I know he doesn’t reject the ideas.”

([Pat:] “Yes, I know. And around school he plays the ‘cool guy’ role, the ‘love them and leave them’ image. Not in what he says but in his appearance. This is the image that others project on him and he allows the image to stay. The students accept this as being Dick. Most of the other women or men like to destroy the image or try to prove it wrong, but they do that out of resentment; they see Dick as a threat. Now showing that image and suddenly having Seth come along and say he doesn’t want physical relations with a female; this could be hard to accept. And yet out of all the people, we would be able to accept this and not see anything wrong.”

(At this point, Rob smiled but Pat didn’t.

([Pat:] “Will Dick publish his poetry and can you give us more information about him?”)

([Pat:] “Can he.”)

([Pat:] “Will Dick publish his poetry? Then I changed it to CAN.”

([Pat:] “Can you give us more information on him?”

([Pat:] “I changed it from WILL to CAN because the situation might be WILL HE, NO: CAN HE, YES. And I wanted to know if there was at least a possibility.”

([Pat:] “No. I mean is it good enough? I think it is.”

([Pat:] “Nobody. He can’t even get it typed. A few friends have tried to type it but something always happens. I’d type it except I know he wouldn’t want me to, not me. He can’t be bothered to type it himself.”

([Pat:] “Yes, I know. If he hasn’t got enough psychic energy to type the poems he hasn’t got enough to get them published either.”

([Pat:] “Yes, he’s got to have the drive on his own. This is fascinating for me.”

([Pat:] “Then he is fulfilling his blueprint by doing this.”

Now, ordinary adult responsibilities, you see, would take him away from these two individuals and so he has taken steps to see that he is not involved. Give us a moment. He is more bound to one of these persons than the other for one was a younger brother. He was extremely religious in his past life and the love of music connected with the church is reflected here. His name was strange, I am not too clear on this. The family name in the past: Achman. (Pat learned that Dick’s family has an Ackerman branch in June 1968.) The first portion like oxtagon.

([Pat:] “Can a worthwhile relationship develop between Dick and me?”)

([Pat:] “One that would be beneficial to the two of us and in developing those abilities that we should develop.”)

Both of you to this point have inner problems that prevent you from entering into marriage. There is a difference between a wholesome love for another person and a compulsive need to have that person. You are still asking these questions with the other image before you. You are trying to peek through, but when you asked the question, you had the image before you. Do you see why? (Pat nods yes.) The very fact that you see this shows that you have learned something this evening. And that does me good, for I would not like to speak so long and so hard without feeling that I had managed to get some small point across. Now I will tell you, Joseph, go out into the air and buy your earthly refreshments and return and perhaps I shall join you for a few social moments.

He worried when he remembered; now shall he worry because he forgets? I am pleased here. (Meaning Pat.

([Pat:] “Do I have any ESP abilities to develop?”)

([Pat:] “I would avoid situations to meet people. I would always say, “I can’t” when someone wanted to go somewhere or when someone invited me over. I can’t remember why I never could. I’d just say, “I can’t”.)

([Pat:] “I had thought of that before. I knew that I should have taken advantage of the opportunities to meet people. I knew that I was probably attracting these opportunities to me because subconsciously I knew the exercises would be healthful.”)