“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

Now good evening. You can hardly be in the middle because there is no beginning or end. I am pleased to meet you both. He (referring to Baba) is not who he says he is; nevertheless he speaks the truth. He is a part of who he says he is, as indeed I am. When you read our material, there will be one issue in particular on which you will not agree. You will later agree. I am coming in softly, you see. I am coming in very quietly indeed, so that I do not startle or frighten Ruburt. He is very easily startled.

Now I will not be any old fogy this evening. I would prefer some lively conversation and I am indeed open to any questions that you might have.

It is indeed.

It is indeed. The separation process is illusion; nevertheless in this way a depth perception is achieved. You are all one self, but you are all individuals and no individuality is lost. There is no merging. There is no need for merging, since what you are already is a part of all else.

You are all pieces, you see, of the whole; but you are not all the same pieces of the whole, but rather individualized pieces of the whole. You do not all fit together like a crossword puzzle that any idiot can put together. You are still highly individualized portions of the whole. You are the whole, but you are all highly unique. You fit into different portions of the whole. The self or structure or personality travels outward and inward and (if you will forgive me) in all directions. It is action. It constantly changes. Each self as you know it has its own abilities and inclinations and sympathies. It has its own particular place within the Pyramid Gestalt. It can contact that whole self which in your terms does not yet exist, but which is of course always present. In your search you must contact that whole portion of yourself toward which you are growing—toward which I hope you are growing. This is your individual circuit, so to speak. All ways are one way, but your way is your own way. And you can travel no other. He is—Baba—highly advanced indeed. He is a way, however; he is not the end. He is not completed. He is right, but he is wrong in taking pleasure in his rightness. (I have never been known for my own humility. It ill-behooves me to speak.) Nevertheless he who is and knows that he is, is. He has no need for words and he has no need to proclaim himself, for he speaks without the necessity for words and he is heard. Those who are really heard have no need for words. I speak to you now in words because without words now, there would not be the necessary understanding that must be reached before I can become wordless.

Rightness is indeed pleasure, yes. All pleasure—all true pleasure—is indeed right. However, pleasure in the terms of which I spoke referred, unfortunately, to a smug and rather unpleasant satisfaction at having attained a certain position. The position has been attained, but beneath it all the attitude denies it and prevents its fruition. Far be it from me to shatter idols.

I am indeed.

Indeed you form the patterns in the sense universe, but when you have formed them, you must know them not only as your own creations. You must know their nature for the physical chasm represents a mental chasm within the self.

You are indeed. The self who teaches the seminar already exists.

Ruburt saw my viewpoint here. It is indeed no joke. It is a means for the whole to know itself. But in knowing itself, more of itself is constantly created. You follow me here, Joseph. The “moment presents" are constantly created by you and then probed and yet they have existed and will exist. You make the divisions. You are part of the whole, but you constantly enlarge the experiences of the whole. It is not done and finished in the terms of which you think.

You must indeed read our early sessions. You recall the basis of those sessions, Joseph.

You should indeed call it love.

This is what he would have you believe he refers to. Indeed. And if I have ever given a double-tongued answer, I have given it now. For I know him, you see.

You may indeed.

([Gene]: “Yes. You’ve been giving me difficult answers to difficult questions. Now let’s try the most difficult. I would like to state a proposition and get your response to it. We have been chasing a point—you and I—and it is my feeling that at the level at which we have been chasing it, it is not possible for me to really understand the point and moreover that at the level at which I should like to understand the point, there is indeed nothing to discuss. Does this make any sense?”)