“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

Now, form number one will spring out of an ordinary dream state. In spontaneous projections you may become conscious in form number one, legitimately project, return to the ordinary dream state, and project again several times. You can expect therefore that these projections will be difficult to interpret, though you may find the experience intact in the middle of the record of any given dream.

They will do so in the same way that a nightmare will disappear if you realize that it is a product of your own subconscious. If you treat it as a reality however, then you must deal with it as such, until you realize its origin, or return to the ordinary dream state.

(Long pause.) In form two, you will not as a rule encounter any subconscious phantoms, and usually you make the change to form two from the state in which form one is used. The ordinary dream elements will not be as frequent, nor will they intrude as much into the experience itself.

But the reality of all of these constructions will be equally vivid, you see, for they are indeed equally real. I will give you one very simple example. Suppose you find yourself in a room with certain people, and you recognize later upon awakening that this room and these people both belong to a particular sequence in a novel. You think then, “This was no projection, simply a dream.”

What is required is a steady maintenance of identity, under conditions which will be new as far as your conscious awareness is concerned. In the cases about which we have been speaking, I cannot emphasize too strongly that actual projection into other dimensions occurs. Many such instances are often considered mad dreams, because there is no way to check against physical events. The events never happened in physical terms.

(Eyes open.) In any case this future self of yours heeds what you say. Now, in the actual future you are the self who one way or another, you see, hears the voice of his past self. (Jane leans forward, knocking on the tabletop for emphasis, eyes wide.) Perhaps in a dream, or perhaps in a projection, made into the past.