“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

(The 53rd envelope experiment was held this session. The object was the same object used for the last session, the 257th. See the copy of it on page 142, and the notes concerning it on pages 143 and 147, as well as our interpretation of Seth’s data concerning it; this also begins on page 147.

(This is the first time during the envelope experiments that the same object was used twice in succession. I was curious to see if Seth would repeat any of his impressions given in the 257th session. This he did do, though often approaching the same topic or impression in new language. We think the data from one of the experiments reinforces that of the other.

(Once before, in the first and 18th envelope experiments, an object was used that was similar but not identical by any means. In the first experiment in the 179th session, Seth came through with one accurate impression. In the 18th experiment, held during the 212th session, a few more impressions were obtained; but overall the results were interfered with by other factors in a way that doesn’t seem to happen these days. See Session 179 in Volume 4, and Session 212 in Volume 5.

(There follows from her dream notebook Jane’s account of one of the dreams she had on Tuesday, May 10,1966: “This whole dream was in images. I saw the universe… or whole reality, an infinity of spirals and stars, in depth somehow. Someone told me? or I just knew… that many of our cherished ideas concerning reality are completely wrong. It was a revelation type dream, except that now I can’t remember anymore about it. Perhaps someone else was showing me all this; not sure though.”

(The session was held in our front room. Jane began speaking while sitting down and with a hand raised to her closed eyes. She used many pauses, some of them long. Her voice was quiet.)

The information was perceived through the inner senses, and though Ruburt is not consciously aware of the dream’s importance the inner self has assimilated the knowledge. He will most likely have several other dreams of this nature within a short period of time.

It is correct to say that the truth can never appear completely undistorted when words are used, for the words themselves almost cloak as much as they reveal. (A long pause; Jane was very restless.) The dream, I believe, was a part of a series of three dreams, the other two yet to come. He was also involved in some astral travel. This is not unusual, for the inner self frequently leaves the body when the body sleeps.

All Ruburt could remember of his dream was the knowledge that many of mankind’s most cherished conceptions about reality are completely false. He was shown a multidimensional diagram of reality as it exists in terms of the spacious present, and in terms of qualities that represent dimensional points.

(Break at 9:22. Jane was dissociated as usual. Her pace had picked up considerably and her eyes had begun to open often, to the point where she lit a cigarette and sipped wine. She said that if the above material represented what her dream meant, she had no memory of it consciously. I was about to ask Seth who gave Jane the data in the dream when break came.

(It was time for the 62nd Dr. Instream data. Jane spoke with many short pauses, a hand raised to her closed eyes. Resume at 10:00.)

A package delivered to him this week, with some connection with the initials M A or A M. I do not know to what the initials refer, perhaps merely that the package was delivered in the morning, or perhaps the sender.

(Break at 10:20. Jane said she was well dissociated during the experiments. Her eyes had remained closed through both experiments. She was very surprised to learn that the same object had been used for the envelopes in the last two sessions.

(See the copy of the envelope object on page 142 of the 257th session. Again, it is the top half of the first page of chapter five of the book Jane is writing on dreams. It is the first draft, and was thrown away by Jane and saved by me, unknown to her. I dated it May 5,1966 in pencil. It was typed on yellow paper, corrected by Jane with a dark pen. I folded it once putting it into the double envelope.

(The idea in using the same object a second time in succession was to see whether Seth would come up with the same, or similar, impressions, both times. Seth does deal with some of the same impressions in both experiments, using different language each time, and this will be indicated where we think it occurred.

(“A fold.” The object was folded once for insertion into the double envelopes. See the fold indicated in the copy on page 142.

(“A connection with mass, or a word that sounds like mas-todon.” Since mass was mentioned first, we think this refers to “en masse”, near the bottom of the object. There are also references to animals in chapter five; Jane discusses these under the chapter heading “Dream Symbols and Culture” on the object, and mentions that fire helped primitive man keep the beasts away. We thought the primitive reference might have conjured up mas-todon, and that this in turn would support Seth’s “Connection with an animal” data in the 257th session. After break Seth tells us we are right about mass, wrong about “todon.”

(“A border. Perhaps in black.” My own idea is that this refers to the recent death of a priest Jane knew in her teens. A couple of weeks ago she received notice of his death, with a photo of him edged in heavy black. There is a connection between the priest, Father Ryan, and Jane’s playground dreams, and the playground itself in Saratoga Springs. The playground is directly across the street from the Catholic school Jane attended. The school was actually housed in a complex of buildings that contained also a church and the headquarters and living area of the particular priestly order serving Saratoga and environs.

(“40.” Jane said this refers to the year 1940. It was during this year that her recurring playground dream was strong and vivid. She was 11 years old. At this time she had yet to meet Father Ryan.

(“A groan, or something grown.” Jane said this refers to the fact that the original version of chapter five, from which the envelope object was taken, grew to be two chapters, five and six, in the final version in her dream book.

(“White. Brown.” Seth gave this in answer to my first question, concerning colors connected with the object. Jane said this refers to an experience from her own childhood, which is discussed, again, under the Dream Symbols and Culture heading on the envelope object, in chapter five. Her experience involved a pair of her mother’s brown and white spectator shoes, and was connected with her mother’s illness. It made such an impression on Jane that even now she does not wear shoes bearing this particular color combination.

(“Give us time… Mention of building, or implied mention.” This too came through in answer to the second and third questions, concerning the content of the lettering on the envelope object. Jane believes it refers to her recurring playground dream, and the fact that her school was directly across the street from the site of her dream. See the notes under “A border. Perhaps in black.” on page 157, describing the physical relation between the school, the priests’ home quarters, and the playground. The relation with building here is a little unusual. Although the building was directly across the street from the playground there was no access between the two. A high fence surrounded the block-size playground, with the two entrances on an opposite side and end from the school; hence a child to reach the school from the playground had to travel at least one full block, and possibly two.

(The envelope object was folded once. It bore typing and writing on one side only. Perhaps the folding, giving the impression of a layer of markings on more than one side, was confusing to Seth. He has sorted out such impressions before however. To me at least the border on Father Ryan’s photo is more of a border than the implied border on the object itself.

(Seth gave 24 impressions about the envelope object in the 257th session. He gave 21 impressions concerning the same object in the 258th session. In the notes for the 258th session I note 11 impressions that could refer to the impressions given in the 257th session. This is not a strict total by any means; it could be more or less. There can be as many interpretations of this material as there are individuals, and nowhere did Seth say that the same object was being used in both experiments.

(Personally I believe it quite likely that Seth was perceiving impressions related to the object in some manner, or concerning the object itself, in both sessions. There are a total of 45 impressions from both sessions, and it seems that many of them were relevant to the object in some way.

The mas-todon was a distortion of two impressions. We picked up the word mass, and also a connection with an animal, which was your cat. In trying to vocalize the impressions however, we made the obvious and rather amusing error.

You were indeed. The first version of the chapter was written on April 7.