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SESSION 258

(The 53rd envelope experiment was held this session. The object was the same object used for the last session, the 257th. See the copy of it on page 142, and the notes concerning it on pages 143 and 147, as well as our interpretation of Seth’s data concerning it; this also begins on page 147.

(This is the first time during the envelope experiments that the same object was used twice in succession. I was curious to see if Seth would repeat any of his impressions given in the 257th session. This he did do, though often approaching the same topic or impression in new language. We think the data from one of the experiments reinforces that of the other.

(Once before, in the first and 18th envelope experiments, an object was used that was similar but not identical by any means. In the first experiment in the 179th session, Seth came through with one accurate impression. In the 18th experiment, held during the 212th session, a few more impressions were obtained; but overall the results were interfered with by other factors in a way that doesn’t seem to happen these days. See Session 179 in Volume 4, and Session 212 in Volume 5.

(The session was held in our front room. Jane began speaking while sitting down and with a hand raised to her closed eyes. She used many pauses, some of them long. Her voice was quiet.)

(See the 149-152nd sessions for material on moment points, and sessions 246-250, and 254, for material on quasars.)

We hinted, incidentally, of something along these lines in our sessions on moment points. This material tonight represents the information given to Ruburt in his dream.

He has reached a decision now, or very nearly, about the matters mentioned in our last session. There seems to be some connection with the Midwest here, or at least further west than his present location. Perhaps someone further west had to do with his decision.

(Break at 10:20. Jane said she was well dissociated during the experiments. Her eyes had remained closed through both experiments. She was very surprised to learn that the same object had been used for the envelopes in the last two sessions.

(See the copy of the envelope object on page 142 of the 257th session. Again, it is the top half of the first page of chapter five of the book Jane is writing on dreams. It is the first draft, and was thrown away by Jane and saved by me, unknown to her. I dated it May 5,1966 in pencil. It was typed on yellow paper, corrected by Jane with a dark pen. I folded it once putting it into the double envelope.

(We started out tonight by making our own connections, and Seth helps us on a couple before ending the session.

(Since these “try” or trial references are included on the object itself, we see a similarity in the above impressions and the “markings and dates” data Seth gives in the 257th session. See the notes on page 149.

(This would tie in with two impressions Seth gave last session: “The month of April,” and “A connection with markings and dates.”

(“A connection with mass, or a word that sounds like mas-todon.” Since mass was mentioned first, we think this refers to “en masse”, near the bottom of the object. There are also references to animals in chapter five; Jane discusses these under the chapter heading “Dream Symbols and Culture” on the object, and mentions that fire helped primitive man keep the beasts away. We thought the primitive reference might have conjured up mas-todon, and that this in turn would support Seth’s “Connection with an animal” data in the 257th session. After break Seth tells us we are right about mass, wrong about “todon.”

(This data is amply reinforced in the 257th session by two impressions: “Squares. Perhaps a game connection.” page 147, and “Connection with four people, one of them disheveled,” page 147. The notes interpreting these two impressions will explain both Jane’s playground dream, and the playground itself, in more detail.

(In the latter case, the above impression would be linked with the following impressions given in the 257th session: “A note.” “A selection…” “A connection with markings and dates,” “and perhaps yellow connected here.” etc.

(In the previous session, the 257th, the four dreams and their originators are discussed under the impression on page 150, “Connection with four people…” “Perhaps a game connection.” Page 150.

(This echoes the “Connection with an animal.” data interpreted on page 149 of the last session. Note that Seth picked up data connected with this particular chapter heading several times.

(If the date impression above refers to the object itself, this recalls the “markings and dates,” data on page 149 of the last session. Possibly also “The month of April.” on page 148.

(This echoes Seth’s data in the last session under “markings and dates,” page 149, and “small round circle,” page 150, etc.

(This could recall the impression of “A note.” on page 148 of the last session, plus several others from the last session. This invitation…communication data also picks up the first impression given in tonight’s session, interpreted on page 155: “A connection with a trial…”

(This would be dealt with in the last session under such impressions as “A note.” on page 148, “Yellow,” page 149, “A selection,” page 149, “markings and dates,” page 149, and others.

(This recalls “The month of April.” and “markings and dates,” impressions given last session, as well as others.

(Seth gave 24 impressions about the envelope object in the 257th session. He gave 21 impressions concerning the same object in the 258th session. In the notes for the 258th session I note 11 impressions that could refer to the impressions given in the 257th session. This is not a strict total by any means; it could be more or less. There can be as many interpretations of this material as there are individuals, and nowhere did Seth say that the same object was being used in both experiments.

(Personally I believe it quite likely that Seth was perceiving impressions related to the object in some manner, or concerning the object itself, in both sessions. There are a total of 45 impressions from both sessions, and it seems that many of them were relevant to the object in some way.

We will now close our session. My heartiest wishes to you both.

If you have no questions then we will end the session.

(Reduced copy of the tracing of the paint pattern used as the object in the 54th envelope experiment, in the 259th session for May 16,1966.)