“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

(This is the first time during the envelope experiments that the same object was used twice in succession. I was curious to see if Seth would repeat any of his impressions given in the 257th session. This he did do, though often approaching the same topic or impression in new language. We think the data from one of the experiments reinforces that of the other.

(Once before, in the first and 18th envelope experiments, an object was used that was similar but not identical by any means. In the first experiment in the 179th session, Seth came through with one accurate impression. In the 18th experiment, held during the 212th session, a few more impressions were obtained; but overall the results were interfered with by other factors in a way that doesn’t seem to happen these days. See Session 179 in Volume 4, and Session 212 in Volume 5.

We will start with the word more. I do not know to what it refers. More of something: The name Moore, M-o-o-r-e, or a moor (gesture) meaning land. That is our first impression.

He attended an affair with an upstanding audience, an audience who stood up to applaud at the end of the performance. Some recent connection also—another impression—with a small child.

Give us a moment, please. These are impressions.

(The idea in using the same object a second time in succession was to see whether Seth would come up with the same, or similar, impressions, both times. Seth does deal with some of the same impressions in both experiments, using different language each time, and this will be indicated where we think it occurred.

(Since these “try” or trial references are included on the object itself, we see a similarity in the above impressions and the “markings and dates” data Seth gives in the 257th session. See the notes on page 149.

(This would tie in with two impressions Seth gave last session: “The month of April,” and “A connection with markings and dates.”

(“Shapes that are stacked. Something like Jungle Gyms in a playground.” Jungle Gyms in playgrounds, made of tubular metal formed into various sizes of cube and square, give the impression of being stacked cube on cube. Games and playgrounds figure prominently in chapter five of Jane’s dream book; the envelope object is the first page from chapter five. Jane’s childhood playground in Saratoga Springs, NY, is described in chapter five, as well as a vivid recurring dream which had this playground for a setting. In both waking life and the recurring dream, games such as Jungle Gyms played a leading role.

(This data is amply reinforced in the 257th session by two impressions: “Squares. Perhaps a game connection.” page 147, and “Connection with four people, one of them disheveled,” page 147. The notes interpreting these two impressions will explain both Jane’s playground dream, and the playground itself, in more detail.

(A note here: On page 148, see our interpretation of Seth’s impression, “Anemia,” and Jane’s connecting this with our friend Helga Anderson. Writing of Father Ryan now reminds us that he died of leukemia—also a blood disorder as anemia is. Note that Seth merely said that anemia reminded Jane of Helga Anderson; Helga is not given as Seth’s impression. Perhaps the anemia impression is a distortion of leukemia. However, we think Jane’s Helga impressions and the interpretations leading to the envelope object and the dream book in general, to be legitimate.

(In the latter case, the above impression would be linked with the following impressions given in the 257th session: “A note.” “A selection…” “A connection with markings and dates,” “and perhaps yellow connected here.” etc.

(In the previous session, the 257th, the four dreams and their originators are discussed under the impression on page 150, “Connection with four people…” “Perhaps a game connection.” Page 150.

(If the date impression above refers to the object itself, this recalls the “markings and dates,” data on page 149 of the last session. Possibly also “The month of April.” on page 148.

(Sometimes it is difficult to tell; perhaps date, above, could be said to refer to the next impression.

(“White. Brown.” Seth gave this in answer to my first question, concerning colors connected with the object. Jane said this refers to an experience from her own childhood, which is discussed, again, under the Dream Symbols and Culture heading on the envelope object, in chapter five. Her experience involved a pair of her mother’s brown and white spectator shoes, and was connected with her mother’s illness. It made such an impression on Jane that even now she does not wear shoes bearing this particular color combination.

(“The content? Some connection with an invitation, or an attempt, perhaps to communicate.” These impressions resulted from my second and third questions, concerning the content of the lettering on the envelope object. Chapter five of the dream book of course contains many invitations to the reader to try various experiments listed, to communicate back and forth between the waking and dreaming states, etc. Invitations and attempts to communicate are also mentioned on the object itself.

(This could recall the impression of “A note.” on page 148 of the last session, plus several others from the last session. This invitation…communication data also picks up the first impression given in tonight’s session, interpreted on page 155: “A connection with a trial…”

(This would be dealt with in the last session under such impressions as “A note.” on page 148, “Yellow,” page 149, “A selection,” page 149, “markings and dates,” page 149, and others.

(“No, I cannot.” This in answer to my request as to whether Seth could say any more about the mas-todon impression, interpreted on page 3016.

(The envelope object was folded once. It bore typing and writing on one side only. Perhaps the folding, giving the impression of a layer of markings on more than one side, was confusing to Seth. He has sorted out such impressions before however. To me at least the border on Father Ryan’s photo is more of a border than the implied border on the object itself.

(“I suggest your break.” Seth came through thusly when I asked him about the “Four. Seven.” impression interpreted on page 157. Jane and I believed it meant the date, April 7, on which Jane wrote the page of manuscript used as object. Seth agrees after break.

(This recalls “The month of April.” and “markings and dates,” impressions given last session, as well as others.

(Seth gave 24 impressions about the envelope object in the 257th session. He gave 21 impressions concerning the same object in the 258th session. In the notes for the 258th session I note 11 impressions that could refer to the impressions given in the 257th session. This is not a strict total by any means; it could be more or less. There can be as many interpretations of this material as there are individuals, and nowhere did Seth say that the same object was being used in both experiments.

(Personally I believe it quite likely that Seth was perceiving impressions related to the object in some manner, or concerning the object itself, in both sessions. There are a total of 45 impressions from both sessions, and it seems that many of them were relevant to the object in some way.

The mas-todon was a distortion of two impressions. We picked up the word mass, and also a connection with an animal, which was your cat. In trying to vocalize the impressions however, we made the obvious and rather amusing error.