“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

(The 44th envelope experiment was held during the session. See the copies of the objects on page 51, and note the copy on the back of one of them, above. These cards are mentioned on page 40 of the 243rd session; this gave me the idea of using them for an experiment. Jane had read the 243rd session recently but had not seen the cards. She hadn’t seen them since November 1962, in fact, for they had been in my files. I placed them between two pieces of Bristol and sealed them in the usual double envelope.

(Jane: Thursday night, March 24. I woke up sometime in the middle of the night and saw the form of a woman standing by Rob’s side of the bed, not mine. The room was dark but I saw that her dress was blue. She was rather thin and fairly tall. Her face was not clear at all but her dress was clearly visible—at least the color. It was one-piece, of moderate length. I do not remember her face at all. I do recall that our bookcase, behind her, showed up well; its cream color was clear although the rest of the room was dark. I believe her head was covered. As soon as I saw the figure it disappeared. I had the feeling that something was trying to make me forget what I saw, so I quickly woke Rob and told him what I had seen. The woman did not remind me of anyone I know, or had known.

(Rob: Monday, March 28, 5:45 PM. After doing my daily yoga exercises for about half an hour, I lay relaxed and in a drowsy state. I then became aware that I was hearing voices. They were speaking at a normal rate; I was aware of two men, not old, seated at desks. I think the desks were old and battered, a brown color. I heard their words with exceptional clarity, sentence by sentence, including the timbre of their voices, etc., and retained them briefly. I soon forgot them however. One of the men laughed, in a deep and pleasant, friendly way.

(I then realized I was also “seeing” one of the men, the one who had laughed. I did not see his companion as the voice exchange continued. The one in my vision was a thin man in shirt sleeves, perhaps in his late thirties, with thick straight brown hair combed straight back, a thin very friendly face with a generous mouth. His voice was deep and gentle. I thought the other voice belonged to an older man with glasses and white hair, though I did not see this person. I saw no details of their surroundings, not even walls. End.

(This is the first time Jane has had such an experience in the waking state, although she has seen many things in psychological time experiments. She is positive she was awake when she saw the woman.

(The session was held in the front room. Jane began speaking at a slow rate, and with her eyes closed. She was smoking however and her eyes soon began to open for brief periods. Her voice was average.)

(Jane was speaking leisurely. She took time out to put out her cigarette and sip some wine, her eyes blinking.)

I believe the state was Wyoming. In your passive state you were a receiver. The room in which they sat was simple, and unadorned. No rug upon the floor. The young man whose face you saw is someone much like yourself, as far as personal characteristics and temperament are concerned.

There was an attraction for this reason. The group sat in a large cabin-type room, in mountainous country, I believe in the northwest portion of the state. The location begins with an S or s sound, but we will try to be more specific shortly.

(This was the question I wanted answered more than any other.)

(Break at 9:21. Jane was pretty well dissociated, she said. Her eyes remained closed as the session progressed; they looked heavy and bleary at break. She had taken many short pauses.

Now. What he saw was not an hallucination.

I have told you that many other systems coexist with your own, simultaneously. Other fields exist that you do not perceive with your physical senses. Ruburt was not perceiving with his own physical senses, nor was he asleep.

The image had no specific personal meaning for him at all. He simply perceived a woman, a survival personality if you prefer. She was standing motionless within her own system, and momentarily the two systems coincided, which is not at all unusual.

What is unusual is that Ruburt was able to use his perceptions fully to see within the patterns of the physical system, or to see through them to the patterns formed by another system.

The woman left your own physical system not long ago, according to your terms. She had a connection with this house, though not with you. She was a friend of the woman above you. This is the first time that Ruburt has allowed himself such freedom of perception, and he shall have other such experiences.

(Break at 9:56. Jane was again well dissociated, she said. Her eyes had remained closed. She had spoken with many pauses and gestures.

(Jane has always wanted to see an apparition, or survival personality, and now has had her wish. She said the experience was not frightening at all.

(I asked Jane to keep these questions in mind, perhaps to be answered by Seth later in the session: Was the survival personality aware of Jane? Can Seth be more specific about the location in Wyoming, and the group’s abilities?

(It was now time for the 51st Dr. Instream experiment. As usual Jane sat with a hand to her closed eyes, speaking slowly. Resume at 10:05.)

Earlier this evening there was a meeting which both men attended. The visitor was tall and thin, dark, with glasses. Perhaps the frames were also dark. At least they were thick frames, rather than thin ones. His face narrow.

(I was not at all sure the data on the family group applied to the envelope object, so I picked this subject.

(This is the second time I was able to ask more than one question about envelope material.

(Break at 10:27. Jane said she was dissociated as usual. Her eyes had remained closed.

(Jane said she knew she was going astray in the data when I asked about the family group, although the envelope objects do mention family groups. But the question confused her; this is the first time this has happened. Jane said she had an image of a “round object”, that had to do with motion, but had no idea as to what it represented.

(We made some connections ourselves, and Seth elaborated on others. At times during the data I wasn’t sure who was speaking—Jane or Seth. Sometimes when Ruburt was mentioned, I thought it was Jane saying so, rather than Seth. After the session Jane said she had no awareness along these lines, but one of confusion concerning the data. Knowing it was wrong somehow, she tried to be objective, to get back on the right track without knowing how to go about it. There was a confusion of levels, she said, that left her groping.

(“A meeting.” We can say that a meeting of many people was involved when we took both types of vaccine; distribution took place in high schools, and many people were there waiting.

(“A connection with a trip.” The high school we visited was on Water Street, our street, and at first we thought of walking up to it. At the last moment we decided it was too far, so I drove us there.

(“For some reason I get the impression of the words organization with the family group.” Family groups are mentioned on the envelope objects, and the vaccine was distributed by the Chemung County Medical Society, an organization.

(“More than four members.” We made no connection, speculating that this data was somehow related to the sister-in-law data above.

(My second question asked for more specific data on the July or April reference already given. “April 66. Now this is connected with Ruburt’s letter image. Personally, I have the impression of Ruburt’s father.” Again, this material is off. I could feel Jane groping about, trying to right herself. I wondered if I could cut across the confusion here by asking her to name the object, so that was the third question:

(This is the first time, I believe, that I have asked that the object be named intrinsically. Jane’s pace was the fastest of the evening when she resumed, again with her eyes closed, at 10:39.)

The April was an attempt to get a spring date, but with the connection with the letter from your family we ended up with the wrong year.

The trip was to be a trip by car. More than four in the family did not come through correctly. I meant many families, you see.

He knew he was off the track, however, and this prevented him from getting more valid information, for he was alarmed.

The large circle shape was vaguely connected. Ruburt noticed a large orange sun, drawn by a child, in the hallway of the school. Something else here: He equated the cube with a large pill, which would be round and difficult to swallow.

The organization data was good. Also the family group.

(Break at 10:45. Jane was dissociated as usual. Her eyes had remained closed, her pace had been rather fast.

(Jane said she could feel Seth trying to get her away from data involving her father. She knew she was confused, as stated, yet couldn’t straighten herself out.

(I reminded Jane that one of the questions we had asked Seth to answer, earlier, still hadn’t been dealt with: Whether or not the woman Jane saw, as a survival personality, was aware of Jane.

(Jane was smoking when she resumed, her eyes opening at times, at 10:59.)

Now. The woman was not aware of Ruburt.

(“Was the woman Jane saw aware that she had died?”)

(End at 11:06. Jane was dissociated as usual.)