“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

(Saturday night, February 12, Jane had a vivid dream that she believes to be significant, and hoped Seth would discuss it this evening. It is included later in the session.

Now. We shall indeed discuss Ruburt’s dream in good time, when he is not expecting it. For now, I would like to add somewhat to our discussion concerning inverted time and probable events.

If you recall, we mentioned the fact that the dreaming self has its own memories. It has memories of all of its dream experiences. To you this might mean that it has memory of its past, and indeed to you memory itself is dependent upon the existence of a past, or it is meaningless.

To the dreaming self however, past, present and future as such do not exist, and yet it has what you term memory. How can this be?

All experience as I have told you is basically simultaneous, and the dreaming self is simply aware of its experiences in their entirety.

You are not aware of your experiences in their entirety, for you experience events in a consecutive manner. You are therefore aware of your dreams only in a consecutive manner. You are hardly familiar with all of the dream experiences of your dreaming self, and barely familiar with any of their implications. The dreaming self is to some considerable degree conscious of the self which we shall here term the probable self. The probable self is somewhat like a twin self to the dreaming personality, for neither the experiences of the dreaming self nor the probable self occur within the complete radius of physical reality.

There is a constant give and take between the probable self and the dreaming self, for much data is received, particularly by the dreaming personality from the probable self, or the self that experiences what the ego would term probable events.

This data is often wound by the dreaming self into a dream drama, which informs the subconscious of dangers, or of the probable success, of any given event which is being considered by the subconscious as suitable for physical actuality.

Again past, present and future are definite realities only to the ego. Memory to the ego presupposes the existence of a past that no longer exists within physical reality. When I say that the dreaming self has memory, therefore, of its dream experiences, I mean that it scans its present existence. It is a simultaneous self.

The same can be said for the probable self. Were it not for the experience of this probable self and for the information which it gives, via the dreaming self to the subconscious, then it would be most difficult for the ego to come to any kind of a decision within the physical universe.

The information is sifted often through the dreaming self to the subconscious, which has intimate knowledge of the ego with which it is closely connected. The subconscious makes its own value judgments here, and passes these on to the ego. But then the ego must come to its own decision.

Its data will agree when taken within its own framework, but this will be the only clue visible at first sight. The probable self, as far as I know, has not yet been reached in any hypnotic experiments. It has been glimpsed however, but not recognized as a separate part of the self, in dream recordings given in analytic sessions.

(There follows a copy of Jane’s dream of Saturday, February 12, as taken from her dream notebook. Jane believes the dream to be a significant one, and had hoped Seth would discuss it this evening:

(“I dreamed I was on a bed, Rob on one side of me and another man also. No pain, movement in pelvis and I delivered a baby. Someone, a doctor, holds up two babies, twins, and I thought, somewhat humorously: ‘Oh no, twins! Really, this is too much.’ By this I meant, after having no babies all these years, now to have two at once! Then, though I’m not sure, I think that the doctor reassured me, that only one baby was involved. The hospital, or whatever it was, was near Lizzy Roohan’s old house, in my childhood neighborhood in Saratoga Springs, NY. I was pleased that the delivery was so easy and painless for me.”)

His dream represented several layers of information; on a superficial layer it represented his knowledge that fear of physical childbirth is not a deterrent to him. On another level it represented a knowledge that a future endeavor would at first appear to be two separate endeavors, two separate accomplishments not connected to each other; but on later examination it will be seen that they are unified.

I am one of those represented in the dream, and you are another. The affair will be most beneficial from many viewpoints, and represents a creative endeavor.

The product will not come from pain, and so he felt none in the dream. It will come from psychic motion. This simply represents another creative project which he shall deliver, with our help.