“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

(Jane, her eyes wide open, was now speaking quite rapidly and with much emphasis. She seemed very involved with the material, swept along with it in an enthusiastic, cooperative way.)

Incidentally, if it is not now known by your scientists, it will be shortly discovered that the physical organism does not age in sleep at the same rate at which it ages in the waking state. Aging, therefore, is not a primary. Again, this does not mean that secondary conditions such as aging and gravity and clock time, do not have effects within your system, obviously. It is only that these must be recognized as secondary conditions that do not therefore basically (underlined) affect the inner self, which is to a large degree independent of your system.

Here now once more, let me repeat that thoughts are definite electromagnetic realities. Therefore, being actions, they affect all other actions, and if I repeat this in session after session, I do so, so that it will never be forgotten. Therefore these secondary conditions are strengthened through the very act, or misact, of thinking that they are primary rather than secondary elements in action.

You will find it a most rewarding experience, once these experiments have been begun, for you will yourselves discover the difference between primary and secondary conditions. Obviously the secondary conditions are to some extent necessary for your survival as a physical organism, but you are more than a physical organism now, and you shall be other than a physical organism in your future.

Now. If an experience is a part of the waking state, but not a part of the sleeping state, if it is part of the sleeping state but not a part of the waking state, then it is not a primary experience.

As you know therefore we have differentiated between an outer ego, who manipulates within physical reality, and an inner ego who directs the activities of the inner self. Now then, the next step should indeed be clear. In the main, the ego deals with secondary realities, and in the main, the inner ego deals with primaries.

Once more, even the word time is misleading, but within the boundaries of your clock reality every individual feels at times—but you see that the use of the word itself binds us—but every individual feels now and then the primary sense of existence that is not arbitrarily divided into moments and hours; and he therefore escapes from a secondary condition into the realization of a primary reality behind it.

(During break I turned on an electric heater that has a fan for circulating the air. It makes a gentle sound we are used to, and I inadvertently left it on when Jane began speaking again. As usual she now sat with her eyes closed and her hands to her face. Her voice was quiet, her pace slow. Resume at 10:06.)

Now give us a moment.

They have been together today, or are together now, the three of them in an office, I believe; though I am not certain, Dr. Instream’s office.

It seems that although this is somehow connected with the university, that their particular conversation has to do with a matter that will be carried on without official university knowledge. (Pause. Jane’s pace was faster now.)

Now, you may take a short break and we will continue, or end the session as you prefer.