“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

(Our landlord and his wife, James and Marian Spaziani, were scheduled to attend tonight’s session, and to arrive by 8:30. The Spazianis have known about the Seth material from the beginning, and have read some of the earlier sessions; indeed, it was Jane’s borrowing Jim’s Ouija board in November 1963, that led to the flow of the Seth material.

(By 8:40 the guests had not arrived, and Jane was up from her nap. Before laying down she had instructed her subconscious to inform her as to whether we would have witnesses, but upon arising she still had no answer. Jane then expressed a desire to obtain in the future as firm a commitment from witnesses as possible, well in advance of the session in question. Since we do not have a telephone last-minute verification is difficult, and we may have a phone installed.

(After supper Jane had read the two dreams quoted previously involving my father. My dream notebook lay open on the table. As session time approached Jane no longer felt nervous. I could tell however that she was somewhat tired, and when she began delivery I thought her voice had a peculiar, flat, expressionless quality that could be the result of fatigue. She spoke very deliberately, in measured phrases, in a voice somewhat lower than usual, but not loudly, and as though she were giving a lecture before a number of people. Again her glasses were off, her eyes very dark. Her pacing was also quite slow.)

A study or investigation of inner reality was not the purpose of the intellect. The intellect, again, was also and is a means by which the inner self relates itself to the camouflage physical universe which it has itself constructed.

(Break at 9:28. Jane was dissociated as usual. She had begun the session without her glasses but now put them on.

(I was somewhat concerned because once again she said that she was tired, and I felt her voice revealed her fatigue rather plainly. We discussed various alternatives, finally deciding that Jane would sleep for at least half an hour before a session whether witnesses were due or not, and whether they were present or not. We also talked of moving the beginning time ahead an hour to 8 PM, at least during the winter months when it gets dark early.

(Again in the same rather flat and deliberate voice, although it was a bit stronger now, Jane resumed at 9:34.)

The basic and originating dream sequence occurred in that area of the subconscious having to do with past lives, and of course expanded into other areas. The dream was partially triggered, as is often the case between closely related individuals, by Ruburt’s own dream in which the leaking vessel was featured.

It, the sequence, referred again to that ocean voyage, and gave you additional subconscious knowledge, informing you that the Larry Potter of your acquaintance was a seaman on the same vessel. He loomed above you in the dream because during that voyage he had rank, and you as a stowaway had none.

And when you were discovered it was he, a first mate, who had you pressed into duty, and who belittled your efforts until finally he struck you; a fact, incidentally, which you were not willing to face in the dream.

(True. See page 48. At this moment, there also popped to mind the fact that I have a collection of perhaps 30 books on old sailing ships, the sea, pirates, etc. I had not looked at them recently, indeed having begun the collection over ten years ago, before I was married, when I became interested in the subject while doing research for some artwork. But ever since I built up the collection, I’ve insisted on carting it about with us each time we changed location.)

Because of the present situation, where the man in your present life is a mere lad, the dream then changed levels. The vessel becomes a masculine symbol. The first symbol was built around Ruburt’s dreams, which involved a female symbol; that is, the present Ruburt interpreted vessel as tub, hence washing machine, the leaking vessel becoming a leaking washing machine.

Your dream began with this, but you quickly changed into a masculined interpretation. A ship is thought of as a she. The symbol changed then to a woman: she who carries men within her. Because of the originating area of the dream, you chose the Potter lad’s mother, and she was the connecting image from one area to another. Even in your dream, she carried you in a car from one location to another.

You found out later and felt somewhat at fault. In the dream the lad’s present mother is seen to comfort you, this being a way to relieve the past uneasiness that at a certain subconscious area still lingers. At the time the lad was in his very early thirties, but you were much younger.

(“Do you know what year it was?”)

You were looking for the person who was to become your brother, and indeed you found him, or he found you. People in your dream did not notice your strange attire, incidentally, because in your dream you had not yet elected to be born.

A woman with your brother you did not recognize. The three of you communicated before your birth. The woman was your brother Loren as he appeared before. You then planned or decided to be born when the meeting was carried out. You also however intended to become intimately associated with the man who is now your father.

But though you met both the present Dick and Loren, neither of you knew what your relationship would be in this life. You intended a brother lifelong relationship with the man who is, instead, your father. Hence he passes you by, the bicycle being a symbol of youth. That is, because you imagined that he would be a contemporary in age, you saw him on a bicycle, a child’s method of transportation, but because he was born earlier the vehicle carries him past.

You stretch, a symbol of the relatively sleepy, unrealized period of youth, early youth, in which you were caught, hence the stiffish arm that was not able therefore to keep the man who is your father with you in time. He smiles and nods, yet you do not speak because communication between you was always difficult.

His nod however was a blessing upon you. It was of course the knowledge that he would necessarily die before you will that gave rise to his passing by, but the dream did not involve an immediate clairvoyant knowledge of his death.

Now we come to a dream that originated on quite a different subconscious area, and that did include a certain clairvoyant knowledge. It gave you inner warning to prepare for last Sunday’s very real occurrence, in which you did indeed to some extent sit in judgement. There was necessarily of course distortion, and rather tricky distortion at that.

The other sons are present. On the childlike area of the subconscious you believe your mother mainly responsible for family difficulties. However her defense, which you recognize basically as insincere but superficially correct in this particular instance, was that your father hit her in the chest. You identified with your father, and could not permit, in this dream at any rate, an identification of this kind, since at this childish level you did not blame him and would have wished as a child, to have the power to do the same thing.

However, the dream was basically clairvoyant, in that it foresaw the actual situation of Sunday, in which the mother ended up on trial before her sons; and it did prepare you so that you automatically adjusted yourself, coming through the actual situation rather intact, since you had already faced it on another level.

You were aware incidentally of your own misinterpretation, and the appearance of your father in both the dreams was opposed by the female vessel symbol, as the opposition between both parents has been an important element in your subconscious life.

A spot on the lungs also suggests bleeding or leaking, which returns you to the leaking vessel image once again, and also refers to the wound which leaked blood, that was inflicted upon the first mate.

Because I have kept you without your break, I will now close the session. I did not want to break the context or the continuity here, and it was much better that Ruburt remain in a constant state of deep dissociation for the most faithful interpretation of the dreams.

(Break at 10:50. Jane was fully dissociated, so far-out, she said, that she had no conception of the passage of time, whether five minutes or two hours passed. Actually we had missed two breaks. Toward the end Jane’s voice had become quite dry and hoarse, and I had been on the point of asking for a break when Seth did take one.

(Actually, I had been well aware that Seth was skipping breaks, and had watched Jane rather closely to see if she became uncomfortable. This was her longest uninterrupted delivery by far since the sessions began last November 1963, and she appeared to go through it without any visible change in manner beyond the quite natural hoarseness toward the end. As for myself, I can state that by the time break arrived my right hand and arm ached all the way up to my shoulder.

(Since Seth had not actually discussed the very beginning of my first long dream, Jane and I spoke of this during break. It was a mistake, for no sooner did the subject come up than Jane began again with but one minute’s rest. As it was, she remained seated at the table, sitting with her eyes closed and her glasses off. Her voice, surprisingly, was quite at ease.)

The dream represented a correlation of past, present and future, a knowledge that Ruburt was indeed an artist in a distant life, that he has strong abilities in that direction now; and it represents your inner realization of the type of painting he can ultimately produce in this life if he utilizes the ability. Your surprise in the dream represents your feeling that he is not using the ability. Therefore the quality of the painting in the dream amazed you.

(End at 10:55. Jane was dissociated as usual. She said that while she was delivering the above material on one level, she also received the thought from Seth “on another level” that she should sleep for three-quarters of an hour after supper on session nights. She has reported this dual reception on a few occasions before, and as before she said she was able to give voice to but one level at a time.

(The pastel drawing of Jane’s that I saw in my dream was so vivid that I still retain it clearly, and plan to do an oil painting of it soon. Both Jane and I of course have been aware of her artistic ability, and I have made various attempts to get her to use it more regularly. Although she understands perspective which I have tried to teach her, she has no feeling for it, and prefers to work without it; she calls her work primitive, and it has a childlike quality when she is left alone to paint her own way.

(Jane, washing her face in the next room, agreed with me. Then to my surprise she came through again, striding out into the living room, speaking in a rather deep voice. Again she was without her glasses. Resume at 11:00.)