“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

The dream of the tree? I do not know if it was merely a dream or not at this point. It was not the same sort of experience as the other you had in connection with a tree. I simply do not know if that particular limb will fall within a specific time. You may have seen its ultimate falling, but this was not the same kind of experience as Ruburt’s seeing the clock.

Even here there are gradations. Consider again Ruburt in one room with his eyes closed, “seeing” the time by a clock in the other room. This clairvoyance is of the easier variety, and yet represents an important step in his development, and should in your own. He was concerned with a camouflage idea, that of time, and clock time at that, the clock itself being a camouflage. Clairvoyantly he merely disentangled himself enough to ignore some camouflage in order to perceive camouflage that lay behind it, and this is a necessary first step.

Even for example, levitation is involved with camouflage to a large degree, in that the camouflage physical body itself rises, but we are still here using the camouflage physical form. Traveling without the camouflage physical form is a giant step, of course, but a possible one according to your development. Here you are traveling however through camouflage space. It is very difficult on your level to do without any camouflage, and yet it can be done; and here again the use of psychological time is extremely important, since when psychological time is utilized to its fullest extent, then camouflage becomes lessened to an almost astounding degree.

The universe is expanding in the way that a dream expands. In other words this expansion has nothing to do with your (underline) idea of space. The expansion, in a most basic manner, is more like the expansion of an idea. It has nothing to do with space or time in the manner in which you are accustomed to think of them. I told you earlier that your scientist’s idea of an expanding universe was in error, although in one important sense the universe was expanding, and this is what I referred to.

Most realities have absolutely nothing to do with space as you imagine it. Most realities have their growth and existence in something closely akin to what we have called psychological time, and this is completely independent of space as you conceive it to be. Psychological time is a sort of climate or environment conducive to the existence of all consciousness.

You think of space as an emptiness to be filled because on your plane you fill what you call space with camouflage patterns. And I repeat: instead true space, fifth dimensional space, is the vitality and stuff of all existence itself, vital and alive, from which all other existences are woven through means which I have outlined so far in a rather sketchy fashion. Even on your plane quality, which represents a kind of expansion, does not necessarily imply an expansion of space. The universe expands continually in a qualitative manner that has nothing to do with space as it is usually envisioned. And the expansion is more vivid and valid than I can possibly explain to you at this time.

I suggest a brief break. We managed to get some excellent material through so far, for which I am most thankful, and the quality of the material just given transcended your time and space, the expansion of quality in this case existing independently.

Before I answer the question that you voiced during break, Joseph, let me continue first along the lines of our discussion. Again, the dream world, which is a very vivid one and a valid one, does not take up any space at all. It is also free to a very large degree of your physical time, but it does exist in the climate or environment of psychological time.

Your scientists’ idea of an expanding universe is so dependent upon your own limited theories that it becomes very difficult to make the matter plain. Again I entreat you to practice with the use of psychological time, for here the inner senses are given the greatest freedom from camouflage. And experiencing the resulting inner expansion, you will perhaps come somewhat closer to the ideas involved in our real expanding universe.

Briefly let me mention that transportation in the universe, that is transportation as such, is basically unnecessary. This is only a preliminary statement for other sessions, and I will not go into it deeply at this time.

When, or by the time that transportation difficulties are solved, you will no longer need transportation. Use of the inner senses makes transportation as you think of it completely unnecessary, since complete use of the inner senses amounts to communication to a degree so near perfect and so independent of so-called space, that transportation through space in those terms becomes an outmoded method of communication.

The inner senses provide their own “transportation,” and put that in quotes. Transportation as such is valid only within a space framework and within a time concept, such as those on your own plane. The “transportation” (in quotes) of the inner senses consists mainly of what you might call a changing of frequencies or vibrations or pulsations, a transformation of vitality-form from one particular pattern or aspect to another.

The grouping of inner senses with which we are now concerned deal with the disentanglement of one set of camouflage patterns and the taking up of another set. The groupings of inner senses most dependent upon the use of psychological time are those which involve a nearly complete disentanglement from camouflage pattern, without taking on other patterns, and these are perhaps the most important because they come closer to the direct experience of unveiled reality.

You will find that we have covered some excellent points here this evening, that will be most helpful in further discussions. There are other facets that I will take up but at a later time. I am looking forward to summer discussions. Maybe Ruburt will even wear a bathing suit.

(Break at 11:00. Jane was dissociated as usual. Once again we discussed a subject we hoped Seth would mention after break. This time it was Jane’s clairvoyant experience of April 10. See page 1. Jane resumed dictation in a normal voice at 11:05.)

I hope that you will develop along these lines, but the rate of progress is of course up to you, and your individual abilities will vary as to particulars. This is to be expected. As a rule the use of psychological time will help you both develop in a fairly balanced manner. I have enjoyed this evening’s session. After some more material with our inner senses perhaps we shall take some time out to go into your various life readings, as I have let them go to get other material to you.

(For three years I worked full time for Artistic Card Co. I then left their employment for a year. Recently I took a part-time job with them at a rather large increase in salary. This gives me afternoons free to paint, and is a very satisfactory arrangement.)

As always I dislike leaving you, but after Ruburt paces up and down and utters my monologue steadily for such long periods of time, and after you scribble away my immortal words so furiously, then I know that you must be glad for a rest.