“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

Imagine if you can the figures or inhabitants in the painting having psychological reality, all within the set limits prescribed by the given space. Imagine in other words consciousness, growth, reality and expansion, having nothing to do with expansion of space in your terms, but an almost complete freedom of psychological realities, and you will come at least within the realm of understanding what I mean by an expanding universe that has nothing to do with the expanding universe of which your scientists speak.

Most realities have absolutely nothing to do with space as you imagine it. Most realities have their growth and existence in something closely akin to what we have called psychological time, and this is completely independent of space as you conceive it to be. Psychological time is a sort of climate or environment conducive to the existence of all consciousness.

You think of space as an emptiness to be filled because on your plane you fill what you call space with camouflage patterns. And I repeat: instead true space, fifth dimensional space, is the vitality and stuff of all existence itself, vital and alive, from which all other existences are woven through means which I have outlined so far in a rather sketchy fashion. Even on your plane quality, which represents a kind of expansion, does not necessarily imply an expansion of space. The universe expands continually in a qualitative manner that has nothing to do with space as it is usually envisioned. And the expansion is more vivid and valid than I can possibly explain to you at this time.

(Break at 9:58. Jane was dissociated—way out, she said. Also her hands felt fat again. She wears two rings, one on each fourth finger. Both came off easily, normally. Now she could not remove her wedding ring at all; the other ring finally came off at the expense of a bruised knuckle.

Before I answer the question that you voiced during break, Joseph, let me continue first along the lines of our discussion. Again, the dream world, which is a very vivid one and a valid one, does not take up any space at all. It is also free to a very large degree of your physical time, but it does exist in the climate or environment of psychological time.

The most full operation of the inner senses is possible only in this climate. There is so much here that I am impatient to tell you, and so little that you can understand now. Conceptions explode into being, evolve, change into something else, and yet all this within a framework that is definite but cannot be seen or touched by you, the psychological expansion even of atoms and molecules that in themselves contain condensed comprehensions beyond your understanding. The stuff of the universe is not inanimate, nor even on your plane is it an emptiness to be filled, but constantly expanding in ways that you cannot yet fathom.

Incidentally, though I promised, didn’t I, that I wouldn’t meddle, I do think that your idea, camping weekends during the summer, is an excellent one. And also that you have made a good decision as far as Artistic is concerned, particularly in that you requested more money. You have to be able to afford all the paper to record our sessions.