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([Jane:] “I think if we leave our experiences at face value, we’re not learning all we can. I think in that simple drama that went on between Bette and Joel, see, there’s all kinds of answers that we haven’t even begun to reach yet. And then to accept them at face value can lead us astray. A fantastic strength and energy in Bette over there, and in Joel. And to understand what they really did demands that we go beyond stereotyped conceptions. And that each demands on both of their parts great self-examination and understanding. To accept what each of you are trying to do in your own way .
“But I would think that Arnold as much as anyone else has been browbeaten by the stereotype. He wanted to speak for a personality like Joel speaks for a personality, or Jane does, or he wanted to get information in a given particular way. Where all the time he’s got it, and he knows he’s got it. But he just wanted it to come out in a particular way. Where all you have to do is say, you know, I don’t give a goddamn how it comes because you have it. Or where beneath your humility is a refusal to accept your own divinity.”
[... 14 paragraphs ...]
“I saw last week as Bill started to speak, the class swerved, and everybody looked and listened to the new teacher, hoping that he would have the new answers; that if you couched your questions differently he would give you the answers. That somebody would say, here the answers are, this is it. Joel has seen this as people would shift from his group to my group. I’ve seen it as Buddy would come from here to the other guy. Where people run to others always, and where the messages we give, look within. You listen and it sounds great, but you ignore it to some extent or another. I shouldn’t say this here because most of you to some extent or another, and some of you to a very great extent, are looking in and are doing this. But the divinity, and there is divinity, is within you, as well as within me, as well as within a tree, and that’s what I want to teach you. And that’s why class will continue.”
([Bette:] “I want to say one little thing. When Bill came through, certainly we all looked. It was somebody that some of us here, I hadn’t heard before. I talked to him because he talked to me. If he hadn’t, I wouldn’t have pushed in to talk to Bill. I enjoyed talking with him. But as far as thinking that I could learn any more by listening to him than I could from coming here, or just listening to myself because if Joel is capable of doing this, so am I. If he can look in, so can I.”
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([Student:] “That’s good, but what you’re saying [referring to Jane] is true too, because looking back on it, it was exactly the feeling I had when I... Joel looked at me, I thought, maybe something will happen.”
[... 2 paragraphs ...]
([Jane:] “And I don’t want Joel to let himself be set up either.”
([Joel:] “The reason that Bill didn’t come through a long time ago was precisely as Jane says, and I don’t care what anybody says anymore.”
([Jane:] “Joel feels that need, see.”
([Bette to Jane:] “But you have said in class to Joel, anytime that he feels he wants to let Bill come through, by all means do it. Am I right?”
[... 5 paragraphs ...]
([Joel:] “A substitute instead of nondescript—what I was trying to say was rigidly defined. I can’t accept that we are rigidly defined and structured as personalities.”)
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(To Joel and Bette.) You escaped from your current physical roles in class last week, our cousin of Richelieu, and our friend who loves the idiot flower, you experienced your emotional reality on an entirely different level. You encountered your own meaning and in different context.
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([Joel:] “And those you don’t have we’ll have to find ourselves, and when we find them ourselves you can give them to us.”)
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