“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

([Joel:] “In one of the stories that Jane wrote, the guy went down to the beach with the wind chimes and (words lost) tree and he selected atoms and that somehow absorbed them through himself into another system until there wasn’t any physical world that we know of left at all, and then as I recall at the end he popped through his whole universe and isn’t that somewhat the same kind of thing? He was the black hole for awhile then he ran around the other side of the set and became the white hole and the whole transfer occurred through him and the whole thing may have been a symbol and that this occurs back and forth and constantly in all of us all the time.”)

([Tom D:] “What I was trying to say was, it is easier to influence the kids that are slow learners... less outside influence... It is easier to get to them than it is to get to the middle class who has got more stigmas... [inaudible].”)

(Remark by Tom D. was inaudible.)

To some extent Ruburt’s voice was your own voice, the voice of each of you leading you on journeys that you wanted to take. Initiating adventures that you want yourselves to make.

([Ron:] “Well, what I was wondering is...”)

([Ron:] “Well, let’s see how yours is. I would like to suggest an experiment and I am suggesting it to you to see your reaction, like I couldn’t. I was really undecided whether to suggest it to Jane or to you, but you see like I’m kind of at an impasse because, like, there are a lot of words and a lot of concepts and philosophies bandied about, but when you make a claim you know such as that in as specific and nonconfusable terms such as that it would be very simple to demonstrate, and what I was wondering is, either now or at some time when Jane would agree to it, for instance, I brought some playing cards with me, ten cards...”)

([Ron:] “Yes, but would you consider Instream’s experiments a circus trick? And incidentally, the way he set up that experiment was atrocious for a man with scientific training.”)

He was a delightful old gentleman, and he did the best that he could, and he does not need a whippersnapper like you to comment upon what he tried so hard to do. He could not accept the results.

At one time he was highly interested, and I went along because it was a sort of proof that he found extremely necessary. When it was proven to him, I was satisfied. Whether it is proven, in those terms, to you or not bothers me not one iota. That is your thing. I was satisfied with the matter of his need for proof. When he attained it that took care of my end of it.

I do not consider it, at this time, revelant. I did when Ruburt was so concerned.

My opinion is that that I have given. Had you come here, however, when the sessions had shortly begun, and Ruburt was himself looking for that kind of proof, the answer may have been different. It is what I have given you now, however, and I fear that like our friend, Instream, unless you change you will be looking for proofs that mean nothing and ignoring the inner reality that is all important and closing your mind to inner validity that alone will give you the kind of proofs that you require. They will come from the inside and not from skepticism. And then you will see them. For example, had your attitude been different and your whole emotional atmosphere been different, and had you in a mood of fun and free giving thrown cards upon the table when I was speaking and said, “Seth, what is on the other side of the cards?” you may have gotten an answer. But not in the framework in which you asked the question nor in the framework in which you proposed the experiment.

Now, before I let my friends very sweetly and nicely rush to my defense, let me mention that Ruburt also when classes began, made an effort, as our friend over here remembers, to give spontaneous readings which worked very well. This means that they checked out. He quickly found, however, that that was not the answer, that people merely said, “He has the answers, and I have none,” that they projected upon him abilities that they thought they did not possess. And therefore he has changed that policy. Whenever evidential material has been given, my dear friend, and it has been given to help others deal with a problem that was of vital interest, it has not been given as a demonstration, and it has not been given to prove anything to anyone. And now I return you to our friend and we will switch channels.