“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

([Joel:] “In one of the stories that Jane wrote, the guy went down to the beach with the wind chimes and (words lost) tree and he selected atoms and that somehow absorbed them through himself into another system until there wasn’t any physical world that we know of left at all, and then as I recall at the end he popped through his whole universe and isn’t that somewhat the same kind of thing? He was the black hole for awhile then he ran around the other side of the set and became the white hole and the whole transfer occurred through him and the whole thing may have been a symbol and that this occurs back and forth and constantly in all of us all the time.”)

([Ron:] “Yes, but would you consider Instream’s experiments a circus trick? And incidentally, the way he set up that experiment was atrocious for a man with scientific training.”)

He was a delightful old gentleman, and he did the best that he could, and he does not need a whippersnapper like you to comment upon what he tried so hard to do. He could not accept the results.

He is not any more interested than I am now in such experiments.

At one time he was highly interested, and I went along because it was a sort of proof that he found extremely necessary. When it was proven to him, I was satisfied. Whether it is proven, in those terms, to you or not bothers me not one iota. That is your thing. I was satisfied with the matter of his need for proof. When he attained it that took care of my end of it.

([Ron:] “Did he really attain it?”)

He did, indeed. And your need in that particular line is your own. And peace in finding it.

([Gert:] “Not only that, he didn’t make himself part of the group, if you’ll excuse me, and I hope we are not projecting again. When we let our Pandoras out of the box, you sat very placidly over here thinking, ‘I’m going to keep mine in.’ We gave and you demanded.”)

Now, before I let my friends very sweetly and nicely rush to my defense, let me mention that Ruburt also when classes began, made an effort, as our friend over here remembers, to give spontaneous readings which worked very well. This means that they checked out. He quickly found, however, that that was not the answer, that people merely said, “He has the answers, and I have none,” that they projected upon him abilities that they thought they did not possess. And therefore he has changed that policy. Whenever evidential material has been given, my dear friend, and it has been given to help others deal with a problem that was of vital interest, it has not been given as a demonstration, and it has not been given to prove anything to anyone. And now I return you to our friend and we will switch channels.