“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

([Tom D:] “I feel that I am helping those kids.”)

([Ron:] “Well, let’s see how yours is. I would like to suggest an experiment and I am suggesting it to you to see your reaction, like I couldn’t. I was really undecided whether to suggest it to Jane or to you, but you see like I’m kind of at an impasse because, like, there are a lot of words and a lot of concepts and philosophies bandied about, but when you make a claim you know such as that in as specific and nonconfusable terms such as that it would be very simple to demonstrate, and what I was wondering is, either now or at some time when Jane would agree to it, for instance, I brought some playing cards with me, ten cards...”)

Now my dear love. Jane may or may not look into your playing cards. I do not know. That is up to her or to Ruburt. As far as I am concerned, I will not bother. Now we have been through this with keener minds than your own. The claims I make, I make not only for myself, but for you and for each person in this room. You can perceive those playing cards as clearly as I can, and if you will not believe me, you will not believe yourself. When I follow through with such demonstrations, I will do so not in the confines of this room and not under conditions set by you, but in a situation in which the claims are clearly recorded with the results in which there is no possibility that anyone will say suggestion is involved; in which no one will be able to say that scientific principles were not clearly set upon and not to satisfy your curiosity! You can, however, prove to yourself by reading the cards. I do not have the doubts, you do.

I could indeed and you can interpret what I am saying in any way that you choose. The fact remains that it is you, not I, who are worried about my perceptions. The fact remains that what we have done has been set clearly forth in the book that Ruburt has written. You can accept that, or you can deny it, and as far as Seth or Ruburt are concerned that is your right.

([Ron:] “To a certain extent, you know, you can always— you can bring my motivations into question, but I have like one overriding feeling and that is—I feel that within my own experience I have seen certain indications just from the things that I might be capable of that I could do this myself if, if when and if, because I have entertained the challenge of developing this ability but I in this situation here, I am confronted with kind of a different type of ramifications. What I am saying is, within this, within this context for me and for persons who would like to contribute to a communally verifiable and acceptable body of knowledge there are certain precise ways in which you could go about...”)

I am making statements about the nature of my perceptivity and your own. And you can accept the statements or not accept them, and that is entirely up to you.

And any work that is done, is done with Ruburt’s consent, and our friend got his back up quite well after working for two years with psychologists. And if I were you, I would tiptoe out the door before someone tells him what you have come up with, for I am also dependent to some idea upon his receptivity and ideas. And that is exactly as it should be.

He is not any more interested than I am now in such experiments.