“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

First of all the landscape and the surroundings were, indeed, symbolic but they represented to you several things. They represented culture and civilization, both as it has existed in the past, and as you see it in the future. The people within the environment appeared happy because they did not think and everything was done for them and life was, indeed, like an institution and they could not leave.

Therefore, your dilemma. Now you exaggerated the dilemma to some extent, but the whole symbolism represented your fears. The situation is not that bad and there is hope yet. It is the feeling that the fugitive will always be hunted down and that there is safety in numbers and that if you leave the numbers, or the institution, you will be hunted down.

(To Arnold.) The dream was an exquisite creative production, you see, and in a way a commentary from other layers of yourself, not only on the present state of civilization as you see it, but a commentary upon civilizations in the past so that both past and present images were transposed, one upon the other.

Now the past images also represented not only the past in the historical context of civilization, but the past as it applies to your own personal subconscious. The past of memories in this life. The feeling also in your early past you had thought of escaping, looked in that direction and found structures. Now the structures were also symbolic in another way. The structures also represented neat pyramids of thought that were bright, shiny, smooth and prefabricated in a way.

I will return the class either to Ruburt, or to our fine technicians but I wanted to make that point.

That (Camp) is a relative of yours and the two of you (Sue and Bette) are connected, but not in this reality in a probable reality; and for a woman that this Camp might have married but did not. Now you see I can speak on tables as well as chairs. Now the relationship that did not take place in this reality took place in another and in that reality the two of you are connected and this accounts for the feelings that you have had toward our friend here (Sue).

It is not. There is an association in your mind, however, between the character of Camp and your grandfather, but it is an association from this life that seems to connect them. It is also responsible for your image of the woods. This has to do with immediate psychological associations of a camp in the woods.

Now conventional religion requires tribute and so the men came to you at the door. Now you saw them hooded and with red hoods, this meant several things to you on a subconscious basis. First of all, robbers come hooded and they do not come to front doors but to side doors and to doors not usually used. They came, therefore, as hooded strangers and they were requiring tribute and you did not know whether or not the cause was legitimate or if you should contribute to it. The conventional religions were symbolized as St. Paul to you.

Now in the back of your mind, and you may yell at me later, conventional religion is symbolized by the Catholic religion because of its fantastic organization. And in your mind the Pope represents that organization and he paid tribute. He gave to these hooded robbers that came in at the side door. He did not give much, but he gave, and he gave because any religion must pay tribute to the inner knowledge of the self and the true inner knowledge does not come in through the front door. It comes in through the side door when you are least looking for it.

You ended up giving two quarters. Now two quarters, in terms of money, is a small amount, two bits, and yet two quarters also symbolize one half and this is the main meaning of your dream for you are half convinced and half not convinced and you gave in case they were right. It is a good point of housewifery prudence and spiritual prudence as well, but you would not have given had not this authority figure of the Pope done so ahead of you which means that presently you are looking for direction and hoping to find it and also that you are not going to give to any red-hooded beggars who knock at your side door. It also shows that you are deeply considering matters and that you are more open.

They were indeed. You should also have a series of dreams that work out various aspects of the same problem for this is but one isolated point of your feelings. There are other feelings about the same matter that did not enter into this particular drama. When the Pope is at the side door, then what will you do?

Anything that you perceive with your senses, for the point of our discussion, you can call material, but you only perceive certain ranges of material as you only perceive certain ranges of an entire spectrum of light. As there is a spectrum of light, so there is a spectrum of matter but you are not tuned in to the entire spectrum.

It seems to have a dim connection for you having to do with a young woman who received on that date, a letter of an emotional import. Now I am not sure if the woman’s name was Lillian, but a Lillian was somehow connected with the event. The episode was not a traumatic one. It was simply an emotional one, a trivial incident, however, that you picked up telepathically. It sprang to your mind because of the connection of a desk with a letter.

The event was subconsciously recognized by you and had to do, I believe, with a woman with whom you worked with, whom you are at least partially involved in that you meet her now and then. She is not in the room in which you work but I believe, some two doors down or two places removed. I do not know if she is there now, but she was at that time and you met her in the hallway. It was a telepathic connection on your part that subconsciously simply came to the forefront of your mind with the date.

I want you to get on with your own discussion, however, the hungry man knows that he is hungry and in India it is not the hungry man who is filled up either with food or with spiritual ideas. It is one thing to be poor and hungry and disease-ridden without knowledge and with a sense of hopelessness and despair, and it is another to decide, of your own will, to deprive your body for a purpose of your own. But Ruburt did not want to add his ideas to this discussion, he wanted to find out what you thought, and so I should, by rights, not add mine.

Now this bargain does not only have to do with your psychic work but to your entire life situation and in a way you have the same goals but you have a division of labor that you have subconsciously decided upon. You want to be cautious, yet you want to find out what there is about the nature of reality and in this implied bargain you are the one who will make the inroads or seem to go ahead to have the freedom and spontaneity to do so. As our past sessions show in class, you also have a strong sense of responsibility. Now at this time, it seems too much to bear both at the same, and so our friend here is being the critical one for you and then you can free yourself for this trance work knowing that any questions of a critical nature that you might have will be asked by her and, therefore, you will feel free to go ahead.

Now she feels strongly but this is her responsibility, not so much to hold you in line, as to prove to you that you have nothing to fear. That she will be there for you helping the steps out as you go ahead. It is a built in safety system upon which both of you have subconsciously agreed and again this applies to other aspects of your life as well.

I will give you one of my best when I get rid of Ruburt’s cigarette. There, now I have smiled happier smiles but someone has told jokes. I knew that would do it, it made you smile in any case.