“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

Now I have a few brief remarks and then my friend Ruburt wants to send our friend Rachel here back through time to another reincarnation.

Now, this is a quiet evening and I am pleased with our small gathering. I wanted to tell you that symbolically, you (Brad) are winning, you are making adjustments, in more than weight. For the weight was indeed symbolic. You will find that some further adjustments will be much easier. The inner adjustments came first and the loss of weight later. The loss of weight is a physical materialization of the inner change. And you can expect others to follow.

Now you may or may not realize that here we have made a small, a very small, start in the study of multidimensional personality. And the theories are not yet fully presented by any means. But the theories will be laid out, and clearly, and the methods will be laid out, and clearly. And I hope that by the time these theories are laid out, you can use them well. And you are beginning to use them now whether or not you realize it. For you cannot understand the self that you know when you think that it is the only self that you are. For the self that you know is only a small portion of your entire identity.

And Jung’s so-called “unconscious” is very conscious indeed. When you allow yourselves enough freedom, you will be able to close your eyes and become aware of these other fully conscious portions of your own identity. For when you momentarily leave aside your ego, as I have told you before, there is not chaos, there is not darkness, there is not a maze of subjectivity. Instead, there is a fully conscious and wise light. And the light belongs to other layers of your own personality. It illuminates your own egotistical awareness even now whether or not you realize it, and it guides your actions even now whether or not you realize it.

And do not judge according to your egotistical ideas alone. I am speaking to you now since you have set yourself (Brad) some problems. It took courage to set yourself the particular problems that you did for this existence, otherwise you would have tackled so many at one time, so to speak. There were certain truths that you found difficult to face. Now when I say this, I do not mean that the truths were difficult. I merely mean that in past lives there were certain portions of reality in which you did not have experience. And in this life you decided to experience these. And you are so doing and you are working toward solutions. If you knew this and if you knew what the problems were at this point, the problems would not be as real and the solutions would not be as valid. It would be like cheating in an examination.

...It means that the personality exists in many dimensions at once. Now this includes not only reincarnational material in your terms, but the realization that the personality in the dream state is actually as alert and conscious as it is in the waking state. Now pretend for a moment that you are your dreaming self. And you want to understand the nature of physical reality. So you must peek out at physical reality, while the body sleeps and the eyes are closed and the senses are “dimmed” in your terms. You would gain little information, and yet you are in the same position attempting to understand the nature of the dreaming state with your waking consciousness.

Now. I have told you often that there are methods by which you can indeed take your waking self into the dream state and follow your own travels. Now you follow them but you (Rose) will not remember; and you (Sally) follow them sometimes; and you (Rachel) follow them sometimes; and you (Amelia) are beginning to put one foot upon the path; and you (Brad) have not as yet allowed yourself to remember any of your dream encounters. But the point is that you can indeed learn to do this—that it is not impossible. It is not only probable, but it is not even difficult.

Once psychology realizes that the personality is also alert and conscious in the dream state, then indeed its precepts and its bases must change. For information is given to you not only in your waking, conscious, alert daily life but in what you would call your unconscious sleep state. Now your sleeping self is awake all of the time—you dream all of the time. Your dream life is continuous, only your waking ego closes out the inner stimuli and does not see it, for it must concentrate upon physical daily reality. But it can learn to look inward, change the focus of its awareness and take quick pictures of this inner environment. So more than reincarnational existences are involved.

You (Rachel) are somewhat like Ruburt, in that you are gifted but you are also highly cautious. You know very well that you are gifted. You are concentrating upon your job and upon physical security, and you are determined that you will be well cared for in your later years. All your conscious efforts are focused in that direction. And at the present time you are not willing to give that much attention to these other portions of your personality that you recognize do exist. And you have recognized your own gifts for some time. You are much more aware of your inner travels than you think you are. You know more about your nightly excursions than you admit to yourself. You come to class because you like me—you also come to class because it is your contact with this inner reality and you do not want to lose contact with it. You are not willing, however, to go all the way, at this point. You can, however, allow yourself more freedom than you are now allowing yourself. And I tell you this honestly—you can afford yourself more freedom than you are presently allowing yourself. You are afraid for example that in psychological time—granted you find the physical time for it—you will take needed energy away from your physical pursuits. Now I tell you, you are overly concerned with these pursuits, that you could get the same results by trying less, by being freer. You are trying too hard... you can get better results by being freer—in your relationships with those with whom you work and in your own attitude—you will get better physical results. You will also get better physical results if you will allow yourself more inner freedom for you will gain energy and strength that you need now. You will not be depleted, but refreshed.

Now. For now, since I do not have brandy, I will drink wine.

Now we will start with you. If you have any questions, you may ask them.

There is a friend of yours who does not have too much time here. Now I am speaking comparatively and am not giving you times and dates. This is a male. It is a strange relationship you had, for he was an uncle of yours in a past life. And there are undercurrents that still remain. The undercurrents are important—they make sense of a relationship that otherwise would make you question it—for why do you like this person so much, you see? And he was a beloved uncle. Now there seems to be another younger man connected perhaps with one of your daughters, who may be offered either a new job or something new in his line of work that may tax him and yet he will feel that he must accept it—for he is driven by ambition—and he will accept it. There is also a younger woman close to you and with her there will be an entirely new turn, a change of lifestyle.

Now his attitude toward you is one of humorous affection. Give us time here. He also believes you are overextending yourself in trying too hard. You are naturally, regardless of what you think, a good business woman. And you can use your psychic abilities in that line. But when you become overconcerned, consciously, then you hamper good results.

Now what are your questions?

Because you try too hard when you try, because you do not relax enough and because you have this compulsive idea of getting along financially. And you are afraid in your terms of taking energy away from these pursuits. Now, your psychic abilities can help you in your daily life if you will let them do so. You are afraid to let yourselfgo in those terms. You want very much to have your feet solidly in physical reality, and you are afraid that if you let yourself go you will miss your footing, and this is not the case.

Now, you see, you have come up with a question. And in one of our class sessions, we will answer it thoroughly. We cannot answer it thoroughly this evening. There is a motive behind it, and unless I miss my guess you will discover what the motive is. And you are already beginning to discover what the motive is. Now. Give me a moment.

Try your psychological time experiments. Use the image of the fire. It is your symbol of knowledge, and you can trust where it leads you. That scene is very vivid now, and it is important to you.

Now. What is your question? (Brad).

([Brad:] “In many ways my relationship with my wife has been destructive. I am now at a crossroads where I could end this relationship. However, I feel a strong relationship with her, perhaps a karmic relationship—something I must solve with her in this life. “)

Now. There is not a karmic relationship with her. She stands in your mind for someone else with whom you did have a karmic relationship. That is not, however, your main problem. You have attempted in many ways to set up a strong relationship with your environment. You have tried to do this through weight. You have tried to say, “I am here solidly. (Pause.) Look at me. Who is more real than I for I take up so many inches of space? I weigh so much, I am here.” At the same time, you were afraid of physical reality, and because of your environment in this life, you are afraid that you could not deal with it. You must first prove to yourself that you can indeed deal with it.

You are barely beginning to do so. Now. Your wife has not been the symbol of a female to you, but of a male. Ruburt has told you this. You are now beginning to approach the point where you feel you can hold your own in physical reality.

Iam implying that it is now the time for you to become independent, that you know this and that she also knew it.

For many reasons having to do with your own past existence, and with your mother in this life, there was a basic insecurity and a feeling that you were not strong enough to survive on your own. This is what you must solve, and you are now ready to solve it, or the relationship between you and your wife would not have reached this point.

Now. The interpretation is not quite correct. For one thing, this still involves you with problems from a past life. In the episode that we mentioned earlier, and the famine, you are afraid that you could not cope with physical reality. The particular life that we dealt with so briefly made an extremely strong psychic effect upon you for it was nearly impossible to cope, there was no food. At that point in your lifetimes you had no skills. You were not equipped, because of your background, to cope with hard reality. Many others were in the same condition. But it left you, that life, with the feeling that physical reality was so difficult that you could not handle it alone. You resolved, therefore, to store up what food you had in terms of fat and protein to hold you against times of famine.

Consciously you knew this was a rich country in your present life, but unconsciously you held to these old feelings of fear. Now these old feelings also hung over you in that you felt that existence was much more difficult than it actually is now, and you are still relating to this old existence where times were so difficult. Now in that time, you definitely needed—and you had—someone to help you. In that life, in that life of which I am speaking—you had a man, roughly resembling your wife in bone structure, and in temperament. This man was not a family relationship...was not in a family relationship. He befriended you; you depended upon him. You have projected this upon your wife. The man was the kind who gained feelings of superiority and pleasure from helping you, but also helped you quite legitimately and kindly. When you found this sort of a woman in this life, for your own reasons, you were attracted to her. Now she, for quite other reasons, was attracted to you, but you have been terrified that alone you could not make it and would not survive.

Now. These feelings have been buried in your psyche, and they are no more legitimate than are the feelings concerning your weight that we have dealt with. You can and will survive. Now in the past existence, you were younger than this older man and you were constantly trying to prove to him that you could do without him, and so you are constantly trying to prove to your wife that you can do without her in that particular respect. And you can. But you are afraid that you could not. This put a strain on the relationship on your part but she also put strains upon the relationship that we shall not go into this evening, for her own reasons.

You may, but the point is, you must know that the tree in the forest survives, and it reaches toward the sun. And you as an individual can survive, andthen you are free to make other relationships—and in a wholesome and constructive manner. You must feel your oneness and your safety with the physical reality that you know. You must realize that you are projecting these insecurities from a past existence when you were indeed frightfully insecure. Therefore, you made demands upon this woman that she could not fulfill and she resented them. Now. She also made demands upon you, for her own reasons and we shall try to go into this some evening.

But you will find that it is easy for you to support yourself, to find in other words a position and to hold it well, when you realize that these fears are projections from another time that have no relationship to the environment in which you now find yourself.

Now. Consciously—before this evening—you thought and you told yourself you could hold a position but you could not. If you were able to do so you would have done so. The tie-up between the past existence and the present one will affect you the same way in this case as it did in the case of your weight. Before you were indulging in wishful thinking. Now you should have the purpose and the inner realization that you can indeed achieve this regardless of your environment.